Visa? MasterCard? who is fuckin' whom?

Winetalk.com · 08-28-2003

I was trying to buy chips in Internet Casino
(Paradise Poker) and got this:

Your chip purchase was declined by your credit card issuer, most
likely for one of these reasons:

Paradise chip purchases are treated as 'gaming' purchases and some
credit card issuers do not authorize these purchases.
Try another card or set up your bank account directly.

so.........banks CAN stop Credit Card purchases ONLINE when they want it.

Nice and dandy,
but...

1) what if they treat ADULT SITES purchases in the same way?

2) why don't they?

anybody has a "Plan B" when and if they extend the practice to adult sites?

nitemonkey · 08-28-2003

mobile billing

Opti · 08-28-2003

Do you want to complain to your CC providor about not being able to use your card as you want?

There is a lot of porn buyers who want to buy... I predict a bashlash from CC holders against these sort of "lazy" blanket fraud protection measures.

*edit.. an IMPA type group to promote a class action to prevent VISA/MC restraining trade at the storefront level is another prediction...

a class action of lots of "little people" rather than a billing company behind it would have a lot more public/political support too... Visa is ripe to be bitch slapped into place. (I hope)

Last edited by Opti at Aug 28 2003, 10:20 PM

Winetalk.com · 08-28-2003

actually,
at PartyPoker.com they are one step ahead of the game thanks to.....................

Transaction Unsuccessful

We are unable to process your credit card as your bank does not allow online gaming transactions. However, you can use your credit card to get an ePassporte Virtual Visa Card which will allow you to deposit money at our site.

Please click on the "Continue" Button to obtain an ePassporte Virtual Visa account through our processor, FPS.

It is simple and takes only 5 minutes to open a Virtual Visa account. Further, you can obtain a Visa Electron Card in addition to Virtual Visa. This Visa Electron Card allows you to withdraw cash from most ATM Machines.

Special Offer:
For the first transfer you make through ePasspporte(Virtual Visa) to our site, you will get a 10% bonus.

Randy, Clay,
you mofos pulled it off BigTime!!!!!

...and gamblers can use the same cards on adult sites!

Opti · 08-28-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 28 2003, 10:22 PM
actually,
at PartyPoker.com they are one step ahead of the game thanks to.....................

Transaction Unsuccessful

We are unable to process your credit card as your bank does not allow online gaming transactions. However, you can use your credit card to get an ePassporte Virtual Visa Card which will allow you to deposit money at our site.

Please click on the "Continue" Button to obtain an ePassporte Virtual Visa account through our processor, FPS.

It is simple and takes only 5 minutes to open a Virtual Visa account. Further, you can obtain a Visa Electron Card in addition to Virtual Visa. This Visa Electron Card allows you to withdraw cash from most ATM Machines.

Special Offer:
For the first transfer you make through ePasspporte(Virtual Visa) to our site, you will get a 10% bonus.

Randy, Clay,
you mofos pulled it off BigTime!!!!!

...and gamblers can use the same cards on adult sites!

AWESOME!!!!

Wonder what the take up rate is like!

I love epassporte

Wizzo · 08-28-2003

Yea, I've started seeing Epassporte on a number of gambling sites, if your going to play online regularly, I also might recommend getting a firepay acct. since Most gambling sites are set up with them...

However, there's still lots of cards out there that will let you buy direct... I cancelled a card that wouldn't and found another that does... Just because I didn't want the bank telling me what I can buy!

nitemonkey · 08-28-2003

so is epassport worth getting?

Winetalk.com · 08-28-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by nitemonkey@Aug 28 2003, 07:41 AM
so is epassport worth getting?

yeap....most definatelly along with promoting it on your sites as well...

cj · 08-28-2003

i am looking at it for a number of applications ... its a brilliant product but still in its baby stages - just like paypal was for the first year or 2 until enough people had accounts to make it a business necessity.

ePassporte has bigger potential than that as it picks up the market that the cc's are trying to block.

time will tell, looking forward to seeing where its at 6 and 12 months from now!

gonzo · 08-28-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 28 2003, 04:22 AM
actually,
at PartyPoker.com they are one step ahead of the game thanks to.....................

Transaction Unsuccessful

We are unable to process your credit card as your bank does not allow online gaming transactions. However, you can use your credit card to get an ePassporte Virtual Visa Card which will allow you to deposit money at our site.

Please click on the "Continue" Button to obtain an ePassporte Virtual Visa account through our processor, FPS.

It is simple and takes only 5 minutes to open a Virtual Visa account. Further, you can obtain a Visa Electron Card in addition to Virtual Visa. This Visa Electron Card allows you to withdraw cash from most ATM Machines.

Special Offer:
For the first transfer you make through ePasspporte(Virtual Visa) to our site, you will get a 10% bonus.

Randy, Clay,
you mofos pulled it off BigTime!!!!!

...and gamblers can use the same cards on adult sites!

Interesting wrinkle...

Epassporte for gambling.

*KK* · 08-28-2003

Gaming transactions have been blocked by some banks for nearly 2 years now, they simply do it by BIN and MCC code.

Any type of transaction could be blocked in this manner, either by issuing banks or by the card association...

Who's Randy?

Winetalk.com · 08-28-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by *KK*@Aug 28 2003, 02:33 PM

Who's Randy?

my eyes and ears at Epoch....no real names, please!
;-)))

*KK* · 08-28-2003

Oh duh, you meant Rand

MissEve · 08-28-2003

My Wells Fargo debit works at Ultimatebet.com but none of my CCs do!

kath · 08-28-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by MissEve@Aug 28 2003, 01:27 PM
My Wells Fargo debit works at Ultimatebet.com but none of my CCs do!

Yup... I've found that my bank debit/check card that is supposed to "act like a VISA" actually works more frequently and more efficiently online than the real VISA or AMEX. I've never had a problem using it but can count many times that I've faced multiple obstacles with other cards.

08-28-2003	#1
Winetalk.com Prostate Examiner I quoff fine wine at corkd.com Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: good 'ole USA Posts: 21,018	I was trying to buy chips in Internet Casino (Paradise Poker) and got this: Your chip purchase was declined by your credit card issuer, most likely for one of these reasons: Paradise chip purchases are treated as 'gaming' purchases and some credit card issuers do not authorize these purchases. Try another card or set up your bank account directly. so.........banks CAN stop Credit Card purchases ONLINE when they want it. Nice and dandy, but... 1) what if they treat ADULT SITES purchases in the same way? 2) why don't they? anybody has a "Plan B" when and if they extend the practice to adult sites? __________________ why dogs sniff each other butts?

08-28-2003	#4
Winetalk.com Prostate Examiner I quoff fine wine at corkd.com Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: good 'ole USA Posts: 21,018	actually, at PartyPoker.com they are one step ahead of the game thanks to..................... Transaction Unsuccessful We are unable to process your credit card as your bank does not allow online gaming transactions. However, you can use your credit card to get an ePassporte Virtual Visa Card which will allow you to deposit money at our site. Please click on the "Continue" Button to obtain an ePassporte Virtual Visa account through our processor, FPS. It is simple and takes only 5 minutes to open a Virtual Visa account. Further, you can obtain a Visa Electron Card in addition to Virtual Visa. This Visa Electron Card allows you to withdraw cash from most ATM Machines. Special Offer: For the first transfer you make through ePasspporte(Virtual Visa) to our site, you will get a 10% bonus. Randy, Clay, you mofos pulled it off BigTime!!!!! ...and gamblers can use the same cards on adult sites! __________________ why dogs sniff each other butts?

08-28-2003	#6
Wizzo Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 247	Yea, I've started seeing Epassporte on a number of gambling sites, if your going to play online regularly, I also might recommend getting a firepay acct. since Most gambling sites are set up with them... However, there's still lots of cards out there that will let you buy direct... I cancelled a card that wouldn't and found another that does... Just because I didn't want the bank telling me what I can buy! __________________ See Who I Am At AdultWhosWho.com!

08-28-2003	#2
nitemonkey Members Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 15	mobile billing

08-28-2003	#3
Opti Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,205	Do you want to complain to your CC providor about not being able to use your card as you want? There is a lot of porn buyers who want to buy... I predict a bashlash from CC holders against these sort of "lazy" blanket fraud protection measures. *edit.. an IMPA type group to promote a class action to prevent VISA/MC restraining trade at the storefront level is another prediction... a class action of lots of "little people" rather than a billing company behind it would have a lot more public/political support too... Visa is ripe to be bitch slapped into place. (I hope) Last edited by Opti at Aug 28 2003, 10:20 PM

08-28-2003	#9
cj Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Down Under Posts: 5,202	i am looking at it for a number of applications ... its a brilliant product but still in its baby stages - just like paypal was for the first year or 2 until enough people had accounts to make it a business necessity. ePassporte has bigger potential than that as it picks up the market that the cc's are trying to block. time will tell, looking forward to seeing where its at 6 and 12 months from now!

08-28-2003	#11
KK Members Respin bullshit press Your Comments Are Welcomed Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,581	Gaming transactions have been blocked by some banks for nearly 2 years now, they simply do it by BIN and MCC code. Any type of transaction could be blocked in this manner, either by issuing banks or by the card association... Who's Randy?

08-28-2003	#14
MissEve Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 428	My Wells Fargo debit works at Ultimatebet.com but none of my CCs do!