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Old 06-04-2003   #51
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I can honestly say that I don't know very many men who wouldn't cheat if the right opportunity presented itself. He might be fighting like the dickens but he’ll at least unzip his pants and get his dick sucked OR beat off while she’s standing there. He’ll then justify that as NOT cheating because he didn’t fuck or kiss her. Lol
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He?ll then justify that as NOT cheating because he didn?t fuck or kiss her. Lol
Yep or justify it as NOT lying under oath ;-))
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I can honestly say that I don't know very many men who wouldn't cheat if the right opportunity presented itself. He might be fighting like the dickens but he’ll at least unzip his pants and get his dick sucked OR beat off while she’s standing there. He’ll then justify that as NOT cheating because he didn’t fuck or kiss her. Lol
Leave former US Presidents out of this!
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Why would she need to be drunk to get arroused by a handsome stud like you.... YOU are the drunk one!
Ahhh... there's the rub....

I have been known to do many many stupid things when really drunk...

That's why I rarely drink any more....

And as to the patronizing "handsome stud", you obviously haven't seen my pic anywhere..lolol....

It has taken me a long time to learn about actions and consequences...

But after 3 kids (1 set of 21 year old twins and an eleven year old daughter) I have learned that for every unzipping, for every letting my dick do the thinking for me, there are consequences to bear....

The action in this case would be breaking promises I have made.

The consequence in this case would be the possibility of hurting someone I love very much and possibly losing the best things I have ever had...

The consequences in this case far outweigh the momentary pleasure...

Would I be tempted, surely... I am male and all males are sluts down inside...

Would I succumb.... No.. Not even drunk.....

But as I say, a few years back, the answers would have been different...
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Wasn't it "Friends" that had the "list"? Each partner could write down a list of a handful of people that if they situation ever presented itself, you were allowed to follow through.

True cheating is lying. And IMHO, lying to ANYONE is a show of a lack of respect for the person you're lying to.

And no, I've never cheated on a spouse or boyfriend, nor have a I ever been with anyone who was married. If they had a girlfriend...well, that I've done.
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I was thinking about this thread as I drove into work this morning. The realization hit me that the way people think about these questions might reveal a bit about how they are in business matters also.

If a person would break a promise to their wife/husband/significant other, which should be a very important promise, then what would stop them from breaking promises in business.
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If a person would break a promise to their wife/husband/significant other, which should be a very important promise, then what would stop them from breaking promises in business.
You hit the nail right on the head Sarettah.

Why should anyone trust who they do business with not to cheat them if they cheat on their mates?

Trust is important to any relationship. Business or Personal.



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And I have been faithful to them all....in my own fashion. ;-)))
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Cheating is breaking the rules of the relationship...it's that simple.
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Cheating is breaking the rules of the relationship...it's that simple.
I totally agree with you… but who makes the rules and why are the rules so easy to break?



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ahh cheating..

Thought about it.... Sure.

Fantasies about it... sure..

actually doing it... never.

I'd sooner leave than cheat - that goes for business and pleasure alike.
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Ooh yucky. All that sun would drive me mad. Like sleeping in a tent. Although I understand some people worship the sun, you look like one of them.

My wife and I had the classic out-of-highschool mad love story. We had kids young: she was 20, I was 21 and tiny quarrels and bitchfights aside, after 13 years I can tell you it really takes some years before the strains of time affect ANY relationship.

I still love my wife and she still loves me but we are currently separated while we ponder our next moves. I remember some guy at one of our weddings ( it was so nice, we did it twice - on Halloween with a pumpkin aisle ), this total drunk that stumbled into our first wedding on the beach. In the only moment of clarity he said: "Grow together, not apart!"

The key I think is friendship, it helps if your mate is also your good or best friend, a confidant. Obviously by having secret relationships outside the main one, one in effect disables the friendship part which is directly linked to intimacy (I don't mean just fucking) and creates for the beautiful eco-system we call love and marriage



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Ooh yucky. All that sun would drive me mad. Like sleeping in a tent. Although I understand some people worship the sun, you look like one of them.
MOST people don't sleep during the time of day that the sun is out.
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Actually, it came with the house ...lolol.....

But we love it, especially at night... Can watch the stars and the moon and storms coming in... Very cool at night...

It does get hot during the summer, but there is a big sliding door to the right of the bed that leads to a "martini deck" (Jen's term not mine) and that overlooks a 16X32 X 5ft inground pool.... So, there are many nights during the summer, when we can't sleep for one reason or another that we end up skinnydipping at 1 or 2 in the morning
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I'll have more to say on this in a few weeks but.....

As animals men are not programmed to be monogamous (please remember I am saying as an animal, not as thinking, feeling human beings)

As animals men are naturally inclined to spread their seed as much as possible (look at mating rituals of higher primates)

On the other hand as an animal it benefits a woman to attract a man (a good man that is) to a monogamous relationship due to the benefits it brings (not that a women in today's society needs a man to provide those benefits) such as food and shelter while the female is the primary nurturer of the child

Remember we go back to hunters and gathers


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If you are lying and cheating or even having indiscretions ........ (this thought allows for those who have open relations as long as they remain open)
Why are you in a partnership to begin with?
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If you are lying and cheating or even having indiscretions ........ (this thought allows for those who have open relations as long as they remain open)
Why are you in a partnership to begin with?
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Why am I the only one who posted "I'd cheat if the right sitution presented itself."

Hypocrits!! Every man would cheat if the situation was right enough!!
Timon, if i could pick 2 i would have joined you on that one ;-)))

most women would too ... but we generally have less free time :P
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if you're really "in love" with somebody, if he/she cheated you....still you can forgive her no matter what..........
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most women would too ... but we generally have less free time :P
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As far as the original question
If you are lying and cheating or even having indiscretions ........
Why are you in a partnership to begin with?

Good Rhetoric Vic,

If you are not happy in a relationship get out !
Kind of simple really.

I believe in Karma and treating people as one would like/expect to be treated themselves.
I personally am monogamous and I expect my partner to be the same.
When single, I consider Married/Partnered Men are out of bounds.

In any relationship Trust & Respect play major roles, without them
it won't be much of a relationship.
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I was thinking about this thread as I drove into work this morning. The realization hit me that the way people think about these questions might reveal a bit about how they are in business matters also.

If a person would break a promise to their wife/husband/significant other, which should be a very important promise, then what would stop them from breaking promises in business.
I agree with your statement...that the way someone treats their marriage relationships can often correlate with how one treats their business relationships.

To me, marriage is a contractual agreement. Regardless of what is agreed upon in said contract...it's binding. A contract is also a fluid agreement that can and does require updating and negotiation throughout the life of the partnership.

If both parties agree that sex outside the marriage is not cool, then neither partner should have sex outside the marriage. It seems pretty clear cut to me.

I see marriage as being a partnership between friends/lovers. Both sides bring something to the table...which includes honour, the potential for trust throughout the years.....loyalty....sexual gratification...emotional support and gratification and a whole lot of negotiation to ensure growth.

Anybody who thinks marriage is something that doesn't need a whole lot of care and investment is on the road to divorce and disenchantment.
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Timon, if i could pick 2 i would have joined you on that one ;-)))

most women would too ... but we generally have less free time :P
Your honesty is refreshing ;-)
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Trust is important to any relationship. Business or Personal.
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Trust is economical suicide.
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Trust is economical suicide.


The reason it is funny is 'cause its true
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