Update on the design broker scandals

[CDSmith]

Sorry to bring this to the boards but what else can one do? It's been well over 18 months now..... Teen Angel (AKA: Ricki Lee) has been fucked over royally by two people. They know who they are, and if they think anyone has forgotten their little bullshit treatment of her they are sadly mistaken.

Hungryman

Buck Naked a.k.a. Pensfan

I recommend that no designers do design work for these two monkeys until it is posted here that they have paid Ricki Lee what they owe her. I further recommend that no one use either of their services until this outstanding delinquency is resolved.

Hungryman once complained that if he isn't getting any work then how can he pay his debts?.... well, I backed off then to allow him to earn that money.... he never paid her.

Pensfan/Buck Naked told me man-to-man that he WOULD pay her. He spoke of making smaller payments to her until the debt was covered, and TA confimed to me that that would be fine. She has to date received not one single payment.


Time to suffer.


Here is the ICQ conversation that just occured between Ricki Lee and myself.....


Teen Angel (2:21 PM) :
thanks for sticking up for me!
CD Smith (2:22 PM) :
I'm always here to help you, you know that.
Teen Angel (2:23 PM) :
Is tere ever anythign I can do for you though? I always feel it is one sided?
CD Smith (2:25 PM) :
If there ever is, I will certainly tell you about it.
CD Smith (2:26 PM) :
No word or payment ever from Hungryman or Buck Naked yet?
Teen Angel (2:26 PM) :
GOD NO! they will never pay me.. someone else that they owe money too is sending leg breakers to their house from here in australia!
CD Smith (2:28 PM) :
Has there been any contact between you and either of them in the past 4 to 6 months?
CD Smith (2:28 PM) :
Have you emailed them or anything?
Teen Angel (2:29 PM) :
I have icq'ed both. Bibabi said she woudl pay for pensfan but then I got a sob story from her too saying she couldn't pay me and that she was sorry.
hungryman just said how he can't pay his rent at the momentbla bla bla bal
CD Smith (2:30 PM) :
Okay, cool. Do I have your permission to post some of this on the boards?
Teen Angel (2:31 PM) :
ne second I will see if I can get any history from icq for you.
CD Smith (2:31 PM) :
I have it
CD Smith (2:31 PM) :
I just need your permission
Teen Angel (2:32 PM) :
you have my permission.
CD Smith (2:32 PM) :
Cool.



If any of you care about the level of professionalism and trust in this industry, you won't forget what has been done to Teen Angel here. This isn't right, not by a long shot. I still can't beleive that two otherwise likeable guys have saw fit to treat a very talented designer so shabbily. Frankly, I'm disgusted.

Cheers.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by CDSmith@May 22 2003, 12:10 PM
Sorry to bring this to the boards but what else can one do? It's been well over 18 months now..... Teen Angel (AKA: Ricki Lee) has been fucked over royally by two people. They know who they are, and if they think anyone has forgotten their little bullshit treatment of her they are sadly mistaken.

Hungryman

Buck Naked a.k.a. Pensfan

I recommend that no designers do design work for these two monkeys until it is posted here that they have paid Ricki Lee what they owe her. I further recommend that no one use either of their services until this outstanding delinquency is resolved.

Hungryman once complained that if he isn't getting any work then how can he pay his debts?.... well, I backed off then to allow him to earn that money.... he never paid her.

Pensfan/Buck Naked told me man-to-man that he WOULD pay her. He spoke of making smaller payments to her until the debt was covered, and TA confimed to me that that would be fine. She has to date received not one single payment.


Time to suffer.


Here is the ICQ conversation that just occured between Ricki Lee and myself.....


Teen Angel (2:21 PM) :
thanks for sticking up for me!
CD Smith (2:22 PM) :
I'm always here to help you, you know that.
Teen Angel (2:23 PM) :
Is tere ever anythign I can do for you though? I always feel it is one sided?
CD Smith (2:25 PM) :
If there ever is, I will certainly tell you about it.
CD Smith (2:26 PM) :
No word or payment ever from Hungryman or Buck Naked yet?
Teen Angel (2:26 PM) :
GOD NO! they will never pay me.. someone else that they owe money too is sending leg breakers to their house from here in australia!
CD Smith (2:28 PM) :
Has there been any contact between you and either of them in the past 4 to 6 months?
CD Smith (2:28 PM) :
Have you emailed them or anything?
Teen Angel (2:29 PM) :
I have icq'ed both. Bibabi said she woudl pay for pensfan but then I got a sob story from her too saying she couldn't pay me and that she was sorry.
hungryman just said how he can't pay his rent at the momentbla bla bla bal
CD Smith (2:30 PM) :
Okay, cool. Do I have your permission to post some of this on the boards?
Teen Angel (2:31 PM) :
ne second I will see if I can get any history from icq for you.
CD Smith (2:31 PM) :
I have it
CD Smith (2:31 PM) :
I just need your permission
Teen Angel (2:32 PM) :
you have my permission.
CD Smith (2:32 PM) :
Cool.



If any of you care about the level of professionalism and trust in this industry, you won't forget what has been done to Teen Angel here. This isn't right, not by a long shot. I still can't beleive that two otherwise likeable guys have saw fit to treat a very talented designer so shabbily. Frankly, I'm disgusted.

Cheers.

Ya know...Ive seen this thread before and everytime I saw the name Hungryman it reminded me of a gif I sent out to win a contest as the most disgusting pic anyone had ever seen. Keep in mind this was around 1984 is but we all called the man in the pic Hungryman.

Does anyone here have a copy of hb2a.gif laying around?

If not Ill go fire up the IBM Mod 80 and let gonzoland live once again long enough for me to get that pic off the drive. It might take an hour to boot but Dos 5.0 still rocks!

[Forest]

Hungryman and Pensfuck cons???

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

2 of my favorite gfy boneheads

[Winetalk.com]

I doubt very much anybody here even knows who they are
;-)))

[Forest]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@May 22 2003, 01:38 PM
I doubt very much anybody here even knows who they are
;-)))

serge

if they are ripping anyone off they should be known everywhere


GBU?

[CDSmith]

Serge, are there perhaps any freelance designers that are members or lurkers here? If so, then I am assuming that some of them would want to know what is happening and what has been going on in that end of the business.

It might also concern anyone who pays for design work.


for the record, I am not out to ruin anyone. If either of those guys comes clean and makes good on their debt, I will never mention it again.... as long as it never happens to anyone I know and like and care about. If it happened to anyone here in a similar fashion, I would be one of the first ones supporting you if you felt the need to bring it public.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by gonzo@May 22 2003, 03:16 PM
Does anyone here have a copy of hb2a.gif laying around?

You'll have to settle for this:

http://poetry.rotten.com/weightlifter/


If I bring a couple of old machines onto the LAN and start roaming around some of those old hard drives, I'm sure I can come up with much better...

[CDSmith]

Just an update for those interested....

It took up most of my day yesterday, 3 extra-strength Tylenols and 5 cups of coffee, but things are slowly being worked out. I spoke with Pensfan/Bucknaked, and he is now working on paying TA some money, possibly even the entire amout he owes. We will see what comes of that.


I spoke with Hungryman regarding his issue on the phone for an hour last night. We had a very productive discussion, and we have layed out a plan for getting this resolved. It will take time, but I am not giving up on anyone.

Time will tell.


Thank you.

[Winetalk.com]

did you try the broom with the splinters on their asses?

works for me every time
;-)))

[The Other Steve]

CD - I wondered if you factored in the currency losses that TA has had to accept by these people not paying her.

The post TA made over on GFY yesterday mentioned a figure that was owed to her for work she did 12 months ago. At that stage the Aussie dollar had a better exchange rate against the US dollar - no doubt something she would have factored in to her pricing.

Now the exchange rate is much worse and TA will lose around $300 bucks because that guy forgot to pay her for so long. Its the same price for him but leaving it 12 months means that she will get around $300 less.