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As long as the human condition clings to the superstition of an all powerful, all mighty, all seeing, all knowing entity/supreme being we will continue to subject ourselves to living in the dark ages
Until we disencumber ourselves from this obstacle we can not move forward to an age of enlightenment
How many have died, how many have suffered, how many more in the name of Gods?
Cultural differences are one thing, how many painful/negative divides are caused by beliefs in non existent beings?
In the name of Allah, in the name of God, in the name of Rahway ......
all amount to battle cries
Opiate for the masses, a means of control .... I don't know
Here in the USA we have divides caused by religon...... strip away religion and what becomes of the divides?????
Consider that on a global scale .........
and don't even get me started on the missed potential of the Internet, the greatest information/communication tool in our time and what did we do......
.... turned it into a flea market
(don't think so, check out the spam you get every day)
/rant
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Vick there will always be divides, religion just happens to be one of the most common. But others are ethnicity, social status, gender, etc...
Religion in and of itself is not a bad thing, its Human's using religion to manipulate people that is the problem...
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Who would have ever thought of an all knowing being? That we are reincarnated? Plus all the other mind blowing, bizarre concepts that are put forth in the name of religions and gods (yeah a guy was born of a virgin birth and nailed to a cross .... all for his followers, sure, yeah right)
Just the most absurd thing ......
I can understand why ancient Greeks and Romans (and other cultures) had mythology. They had no way to explain why the sun came up every day and so on
We live in an age of science and still cling to superstition
Totally amazes me
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Originally posted by Vick@Mar 30 2004, 12:55 PM We live in an age of science and still cling to superstition
Totally amazes me
In all honesty, it's easier for me to believe in God than it is to believe that a star I'm looking at in the sky stopped existing millions of light years ago. :P
Just tellin' ya how I feel - when I'm being told something I can see doesn't exist, it doesn't make any more sense to me than telling me something I can't see does exist.
How many people truly understand the Big Bang theory? Not fucking many, i say. I don't. It makes about as much sense to me as any bible thumpin' moron. I believe in a god. Any more than that, i don't know.
What was before the big bang? And what was before that? Whatever it was, it's about as believeable as some omnipotent being. Like i said, i believe in a god. I don't see the bible, or the torah, or the quran as the word of god. I don't think god is some dude with a long beard and perfect teeth.
For all i know, he/she/it could be whatever was responsible for whatever caused the big bang, and so on.
Originally posted by Peaches@Mar 30 2004, 12:07 PM when I'm being told something I can see doesn't exist, it doesn't make any more sense to me than telling me something I can't see does exist.
That could also work in a "do sponsors shave?" thread. :P
aeon - I can't agree, some scientific discoveries are verifiable fact, none of religion is verifiable fact (it's an over simplification but you understand).
Can't lump science with religion no matter how you slice it
Science tries to understand, to offer solid, factual proofs and doesn't ask for blind faith and is open to change
chodadog - at this point the big bang is a theory, just that.
Basically we are carbon based life forms that happened to evolve in a water belt. Just a cosmic roll of the dice
I can't believe that some all knowing, all powerful being expects us to live our life by decrees handed down by man
Life after death, yeah right. You die, you're worm food
Nail a guy born of a virgin to a cross and it supposed to be a good thing - un huh
Women are supposed to be repressed and forced to cover themselves from head to toe - no way
A woman is the most beautiful creation in nature, there is no way they should have to suffer a decree that disallows them to share their beauty
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- ghosts
- objects moving on their own
- people hearing relative's voices telling them to hit the brakes mere seconds before they'd have been plowed under by a dump truck
- one person seeing a ghost in a certain spot, and another person moving into that spot feels as if they've just walked into a freezer
-The most innocent people are children, yes?
What do you do when your child says a phrase that your grandmother used to say all the time, but she died before he was born, and when you ask him who taught him that phrase, he says "Grandma did!"
Ask him if he means *his* grandma, the one that lives with Papap, and he says "No, *your* grandma, the one with glasses!"
Yes, all of those have happened to me.
No, I'm not crazy.
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Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 30 2004, 01:18 PM Physics and math cannot explain things such as:
- ghosts
- objects moving on their own
- people hearing relative's voices telling them to hit the brakes mere seconds before they'd have been plowed under by a dump truck
- one person seeing a ghost in a certain spot, and another person moving into that spot feels as if they've just walked into a freezer
-The most innocent people are children, yes?
What do you do when your child says a phrase that your grandmother used to say all the time, but she died before he was born, and when you ask him who taught him that phrase, he says "Grandma did!"
Ask him if he means *his* grandma, the one that lives with Papap, and he says "No, *your* grandma, the one with glasses!"
Yes, all of those have happened to me.
No, I'm not crazy.
Please show me a ghost
I've been ghost hunting, haven't seen one yet.
I'll continue to search for ghosts
As for objects moving on their own, I'm an illusionist, what would you like me to move?
Want to see me bend a nail with just the power of my mind. I'll let you examine the nail before and after and I'll bend it right in front of you
Edited for spelling
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The origins of religion are logical. Primative man overwhelmed by the sun and the stars in the sky, the rhythm of the seasons, the destructive forces of nature. Sacrificial ceremonies and cults beget high priests, shamans and mysticism, begets religion and organized religion.
Those in charge see it as a valuable tool. You can control people, get their money, get them to do anything. If we think it's tied to politics today, imagine three thousand years ago. A cause to rally armies against other nations for conquest.
As for society, people seem to need (more so in the past than today, but still today) to believe in a higher order and a life after death experience, preferalbly one with rewards and paradise.
Originally posted by Dravyk@Mar 30 2004, 01:22 PM to believe in a higher order and a life after death experience, preferalbly one with rewards and paradise.
Yep like those who die for Allah and get rewarded by how many ever virgins
ah ha ha ha
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Vick, there are no illusionists in my home. When the objects moved, I was the only one home at the time. No tomfoolery there.
As for showing you a ghost, I do think by the time you drove down here it'd be gone
I've seen these things, you haven't. Does that mean they don't exist?
I've seen the White House, Hubby hasn't. Does that mean it doesn't exist?
Some people just experience things that others don't. I can't explain it. *shrugs*
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Carrie - there are many plausible explanations for things moving in your home including earthquake or trucks driving nearby
What is the history of your home? Is it new or older, who lived there prior?
Try to find out why some force would be there and move things?
I read and researched supposed ghosts and ghost stories (in particularly in New Orleans and here in Fells Point with a writer who was collecting information for a book) and have been ghost hunting with no sightings
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Originally posted by Vick@Mar 30 2004, 10:18 AM aeon - I can't agree, some scientific discoveries are verifiable fact, none of religion is verifiable fact (it's an over simplification but you understand).
Can't lump science with religion no matter how you slice it
show me...something in science that is a truth - show me a fact - a fact is a truth and before you try...re-read what I wrote.
Originally posted by Vick@Mar 30 2004, 11:55 AM Mike - the concept of Gods just blows me away
Who would have ever thought of an all knowing being? That we are reincarnated? Plus all the other mind blowing, bizarre concepts that are put forth in the name of religions and gods (yeah a guy was born of a virgin birth and nailed to a cross .... all for his followers, sure, yeah right)
Just the most absurd thing ......
I can understand why ancient Greeks and Romans (and other cultures) had mythology. They had no way to explain why the sun came up every day and so on
We live in an age of science and still cling to superstition
Totally amazes me
I saw some HBO documentary
and they showed faith healers
'curing' the sick
and how the guy gets fed info about the person thru an ear piece
then they brought up how
religion came about cuz man feared death
so what better thing to do than create heaven
so we would not go insane knowing we die and thats IT
Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 30 2004, 01:38 PM Vick, there are no illusionists in my home. When the objects moved, I was the only one home at the time. No tomfoolery there.
As for showing you a ghost, I do think by the time you drove down here it'd be gone
I've seen these things, you haven't. Does that mean they don't exist?
I've seen the White House, Hubby hasn't. Does that mean it doesn't exist?
Some people just experience things that others don't. I can't explain it. *shrugs*
Carrie who are ghosts
are they dead people
who didnt make it to heaven?
things move in your house
so its Casper
Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 30 2004, 01:18 PM Physics and math cannot explain things such as:
- ghosts
- objects moving on their own
- people hearing relative's voices telling them to hit the brakes mere seconds before they'd have been plowed under by a dump truck
- one person seeing a ghost in a certain spot, and another person moving into that spot feels as if they've just walked into a freezer
-The most innocent people are children, yes?
What do you do when your child says a phrase that your grandmother used to say all the time, but she died before he was born, and when you ask him who taught him that phrase, he says "Grandma did!"
Ask him if he means *his* grandma, the one that lives with Papap, and he says "No, *your* grandma, the one with glasses!"
Yes, all of those have happened to me.
No, I'm not crazy.
oh I finally read this
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ghost exist
any good sexy ghost domains
whats marilyn monroe look like now?
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 30 2004, 02:46 PM Enlightened = think like me
For now I'd settle for not clinging to harmful, ridiculous superstitions
Much less the Christian doctrine that a Christian is must share their faith (think not, how many Christians have knocked on your door in your lifetime)
and if one choses to engage in these beliefs then at the very least removing tax free status for churches in the USA
Vick, hi hon, hope you and Sebastian are doing great :o)
My 2 cents (or less)
You cannot prove to me there is no Higher Power, nor can I prove to you there is.
That, if nothing else, is fact.
The problem is not that I believe there is, nor is the problem that you believe there isn't.
The problem isn't belief systems (or lack thereof), the Bible, the Torah, the Koran or any other 'holy' writing.
The problem isn't faith nor the lack of it. The problem isn't science, metaphysics, occult nor any other 'system' of discovery.
The problem is simply that we human beings have yet to master one thing.
The fine art of learning to agree to disagree.
I don't have to believe as you do, nor do I want to. I also have no desire to convert you nor attempt to prove to you that you are wrong, mistaken, or any other adjective. I feel no compunction to prove to you that my beliefs are correct, enlightened or 'the way.' I am more than satisfied that they are true for me, they work for me.
You can trace every 'holy war', religious persecution (from the jews to the witches) and discrimination based on crede to one thing.
Narrow minded human beings who are unable to accept the fact that not all believe as they do. They simply cannot agree to disagree and use their 'righteous' indignation and 'calling' to shove their way down the throats of anyone they can reach.
This is not the fault of a belief system per se as a belief system is just that, a system. It is the fault of the fallibility of the human condition.
(hushing now since I've typed more than I have in weeks and now my fingers hurt) lol
Originally posted by Snoops@Mar 30 2004, 02:52 PM Vick, hi hon, hope you and Sebastian are doing great )
My 2 cents (or less)
You cannot prove to me there is no Higher Power, nor can I prove to you there is.
That, if nothing else, is fact.
The problem is not that I believe there is, nor is the problem that you believe there isn't.
The problem isn't belief systems (or lack thereof), the Bible, the Torah, the Koran or any other 'holy' writing.
The problem isn't faith nor the lack of it. The problem isn't science, metaphysics, occult nor any other 'system' of discovery.
The problem is simply that we human beings have yet to master one thing.
The fine art of learning to agree to disagree.
I don't have to believe as you do, nor do I want to. I also have no desire to convert you nor attempt to prove to you that you are wrong, mistaken, or any other adjective. I feel no compunction to prove to you that my beliefs are correct, enlightened or 'the way.' I am more than satisfied that they are true for me, they work for me.
You can trace every 'holy war', religious persecution (from the jews to the witches) and discrimination based on crede to one thing.
Narrow minded human beings who are unable to accept the fact that not all believe as they do. They simply cannot agree to disagree and use their 'righteous' indignation and 'calling' to shove their way down the throats of anyone they can reach.
This is not the fault of a belief system per se as a belief system is just that, a system. It is the fault of the fallibility of the human condition.
(hushing now since I've typed more than I have in weeks and now my fingers hurt) lol
That's very smart actually - for the most part. I'm not pissing with you vick...I like to hear people's reasons; that's what you learn from - people believe in science...and it's potential for abuse is amazing. Cloning, nuclear weapons, etc., - when people believe in a doctrine as the "enlightened" way...it opens very bad doors. The same doors that humanity used with religion...but the results are potentially far more dangerous with science. The similarities are chillingly similiar.
Unbridled faith is dangerous, no matter what it's in. Humanity evolve's by learning and an old anthropology professor told me a long time ago; it's that learning and arrogance that will probably destroy humanity.
Originally posted by Snoops@Mar 30 2004, 02:52 PM Vick, hi hon, hope you and Sebastian are doing great )
My 2 cents (or less)
You cannot prove to me there is no Higher Power, nor can I prove to you there is.
That, if nothing else, is fact.
The problem is not that I believe there is, nor is the problem that you believe there isn't.
The problem isn't belief systems (or lack thereof), the Bible, the Torah, the Koran or any other 'holy' writing.
The problem isn't faith nor the lack of it. The problem isn't science, metaphysics, occult nor any other 'system' of discovery.
The problem is simply that we human beings have yet to master one thing.
The fine art of learning to agree to disagree.
I don't have to believe as you do, nor do I want to. I also have no desire to convert you nor attempt to prove to you that you are wrong, mistaken, or any other adjective. I feel no compunction to prove to you that my beliefs are correct, enlightened or 'the way.' I am more than satisfied that they are true for me, they work for me.
You can trace every 'holy war', religious persecution (from the jews to the witches) and discrimination based on crede to one thing.
Narrow minded human beings who are unable to accept the fact that not all believe as they do. They simply cannot agree to disagree and use their 'righteous' indignation and 'calling' to shove their way down the throats of anyone they can reach.
This is not the fault of a belief system per se as a belief system is just that, a system. It is the fault of the fallibility of the human condition.
(hushing now since I've typed more than I have in weeks and now my fingers hurt) lol
Originally posted by Vick@Mar 29 2004, 06:57 PM Rant time ......
As long as the human condition clings to the superstition of an all powerful, all mighty, all seeing, all knowing entity/supreme being we will continue to subject ourselves to living in the dark ages
Until we disencumber ourselves from this obstacle we can not move forward to an age of enlightenment
How many have died, how many have suffered, how many more in the name of Gods?
Cultural differences are one thing, how many painful/negative divides are caused by beliefs in non existent beings?
In the name of Allah, in the name of God, in the name of Rahway ......
all amount to battle cries
Opiate for the masses, a means of control .... I don't know
Here in the USA we have divides caused by religon...... strip away religion and what becomes of the divides?????
Consider that on a global scale .........
and don't even get me started on the missed potential of the Internet, the greatest information/communication tool in our time and what did we do......
.... turned it into a flea market
(don't think so, check out the spam you get every day)
/rant
You really should get into some Marxist cultural theory, I think you would really enjoy it.
Originally posted by chodadog@Mar 30 2004, 12:59 PM How many people truly understand the Big Bang theory? Not fucking many, i say. I don't. It makes about as much sense to me as any bible thumpin' moron. I believe in a god. Any more than that, i don't know.
What was before the big bang? And what was before that? Whatever it was, it's about as believeable as some omnipotent being. Like i said, i believe in a god. I don't see the bible, or the torah, or the quran as the word of god. I don't think god is some dude with a long beard and perfect teeth.
For all i know, he/she/it could be whatever was responsible for whatever caused the big bang, and so on.
hmmm...you don't know what was there before the big bang?
cool, tell me what was there before the GOD?
when is his TIME ZERO moment?
;-)))
Originally posted by Snoops@Mar 30 2004, 02:52 PM Vick, hi hon, hope you and Sebastian are doing great )
My 2 cents (or less)
You cannot prove to me there is no Higher Power, nor can I prove to you there is.
That, if nothing else, is fact.
The problem is not that I believe there is, nor is the problem that you believe there isn't.
The problem isn't belief systems (or lack thereof), the Bible, the Torah, the Koran or any other 'holy' writing.
The problem isn't faith nor the lack of it. The problem isn't science, metaphysics, occult nor any other 'system' of discovery.
The problem is simply that we human beings have yet to master one thing.
The fine art of learning to agree to disagree.
I don't have to believe as you do, nor do I want to. I also have no desire to convert you nor attempt to prove to you that you are wrong, mistaken, or any other adjective. I feel no compunction to prove to you that my beliefs are correct, enlightened or 'the way.' I am more than satisfied that they are true for me, they work for me.
You can trace every 'holy war', religious persecution (from the jews to the witches) and discrimination based on crede to one thing.
Narrow minded human beings who are unable to accept the fact that not all believe as they do. They simply cannot agree to disagree and use their 'righteous' indignation and 'calling' to shove their way down the throats of anyone they can reach.
This is not the fault of a belief system per se as a belief system is just that, a system. It is the fault of the fallibility of the human condition.
(hushing now since I've typed more than I have in weeks and now my fingers hurt) lol
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