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you cannot stop progress.
capital will always seek the path of least resistance.
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I have not outsourced fulltime overseas but I’m thinking about it. In the past few years I’ve had some real nightmares. You’d think that prices would go down but they have not and if you find someone that has decent prices then be prepared to wait forever.
I posted something about Adult Outsourcing and wondered if anyone used these people. The prices are almost to low to be true but if the economy in Asia sucks then I guess it can be true.
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the average programmer in USA gets $80,000 a year,
the average Indian Programmer gets $16,000 a year.
1/5th or 20% from USA counterpart
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As Wig said, it happens. I have proof.
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It is a double edge sword indeed. Because of free trade I go to buy produce and I have to hunt to buy produce from the US or local Florida. We grow mangoes and avocados here but damn if I can buy a local one from a chain.
I hate the idea of outsourcing but the reality is that it’s cheaper and in most cases less headaches. It sucks.
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tell that to unemployed USA programmer who wishes HIS money circulate 7 times too...
all is nice and dandy in your reasoning except...
$$ you send to India are taken OUT of USA economy...
USA Economy would be much better off if:
1) you paid wages to US programmer
2) bought Caddilac instead of Mercedes
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What can I say?
When the automobile began to become popular, my great grandfather worried about the jobs of all the people that took care of the horses.
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It is a double edge sword indeed. Because of free trade I go to buy produce and I have to hunt to buy produce from the US or local Florida. We grow mangoes and avocados here but damn if I can buy a local one from a chain.
I hate the idea of outsourcing but the reality is that it’s cheaper and in most cases less headaches. It sucks.
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YES, it's cheaper...on one edge
and LESS people have buying power to buy those cheap goods on the other edge.
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I hate the idea of outsourcing but the reality is that it’s cheaper and in most cases less headaches. It sucks.
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I love it.
Profit = revenue - expenses
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 sorry, I'm a programmer......
Difference between me and the guy in India is with me, you can bring your half baked idea and your 5 million "enhancements" that you have already decided you want, a one paragraph description of the whole thing and you will end up with a working system.
That is because (especially at the independent level) the U.S. programmer is expected to be 1. A systems designer, 2. A program designer, 3. A database designer, 4. a coder, 5. a tester, 6. your personal fucking hardware technician for the rest of your measly life, 7. your kicking bag for the life of the application.
The programmer from India is going to deliver your project to exactly your specs, which requires you to first either be a systems designer or hire one, secondly for you to be a program designer or have hired one, 3 for you to be a database designer or have hired one... 4 for you to know a fucking thing or two about hardware or have an IT staff that knows...
The Indian guy will code and test it for you....
It's called "Value Added"
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Outsourcing jobs is the price we have to pay if we want a global economy... in fact outsourcing jobs to other countries have always been here, in old time it was just mainly expensive goods, because it was expensive to transport goods from one part of the world to the other, however within the last 30 years we have seen technology making it cheaper and cheaper to transport goods on the world oceans.
And now due to the low cost of communication which the internet provide, then its time to outsource many of the office type jobs - callcenters, bookeeping, programmers, designers, etc.
There is no way to stop the outsoucring of jobs - evolution will prove once again, that those who adapt will survive, while those who refuse will disappear... 
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sorry, I'm a programmer......
Difference between me and the guy in India is with me, you can bring your half baked idea and your 5 million "enhancements" that you have already decided you want, a one paragraph description of the whole thing and you will end up with a working system.
That is because (especially at the independent level) the U.S. programmer is expected to be 1. A systems designer, 2. A program designer, 3. A database designer, 4. a coder, 5. a tester, 6. your personal fucking hardware technician for the rest of your measly life, 7. your kicking bag for the life of the application.
The programmer from India is going to deliver your project to exactly your specs, which requires you to first either be a systems designer or hire one, secondly for you to be a program designer or have hired one, 3 for you to be a database designer or have hired one... 4 for you to know a fucking thing or two about hardware or have an IT staff that knows...
The Indian guy will code and test it for you....
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There are overseas TEAMS that are pretty good.
There are great programmers in the US and some really awful ones too. We've had a dozen or so working for us over the years and there is a real range of abilities.
Maybe MikeAI has comments. He has a bunch on staff.
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Americans just need to face a few simple facts...
Education is key. We have too much supply of low skilled workers.
Their choice is either to cry to Gov't for protection or gain more skill.
No doubt, most will cry.
Where does that leave the US in the near term? hmmmm.
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