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Old 03-08-2003   #51
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We *are* heading into war with Iraq. It's inevitable.
While Hussein is glibly double-talking and acting innocent, North Korea's leaders are loudly telling us to go fuck ourselves and threatening us openly.
Normal people with kids are actually discussing whether a person should or should not be tortured, and whether it's "right" or "okay" to do so.

Stop the world. I want to get off.
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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 7 2003, 08:37 AM
Stalin would say YES,
I'd say NO,

penthatol still works, why bother squashing his nuts?
You're right and torture is by FAR a less reliable method of extracting information. Not to mention it's an extremely stupid move diplomatically.
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Stop the world. I want to get off.
Do as I do... stop watching/hearing the news - you will get more work done, and have less stress and I promiss your mood will be better in less than 1 week

News are overrated... everything is "breaking news", "news flash" etc. no matter how small and unimportant the news REALLY are to your life, then they are presented to you like they are the biggest issues in your life

Ah well back to my happy news deserted world
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My answer: ABSOLUTELY.

These are not soldiers of a foreign country that have been captured as a result of a declared and "official" war. These are murderers. Terrorists. Al-Qaeda's primary objective is the murder of as many americans and israelis as possible. Their goal is to kill and terrorize. That is it, period. Electricity to their testicles is too good for them.

Serge...american POW's are already tortured by barbaric enemies. Nothing we do is going to change that, either positively or negatively.
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He's a militant fundy, right? I say his torture should consist of sleep deprivation, Ecstasy and sextoy-wielding porn stars!

Seriously, I know it happens everywhere, all the time - no matter what the official stance might be. I wish human beings would evolve past violence, but it's simply the nature of the beast, unfortunately.

Unofficially yes, officially no... that kind of sums it up for me, too. And if we're going to do it, I lean WAY over toward the side of mind-fucking.

And if it *does* involve my first idea, it'd make great pay-per-view, dontchathink? Much better than a public execution.
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He is a self-professed al qeada chief, terrorist, murderer and enemy of the united states. I really don't think there is any question of his guilt or the fact that he posses knowledge about al qaeda operations and future plans. For those reasons I feel he is a very special circumstance and has given up his right to fair treatment.
Was he wearing a 'I am Al-Queda chief shirt" on? I didn't see it. Common guys whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't mean to go on a leftist binge here, but this is still part of american justice, yes? Now it's ok to torture people? Does anyone else see a problem developing here?
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Common guys whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't mean to go on a leftist binge here, but this is still part of american justice, yes?
We could always put him through trial, find him guilty, and then drop him in General Population in some nice *New York* prison.
He'd last about ....oh... two hours maybe.

Unfortunately, if he *were* to go to prison and even if he *were* found guilty (rather than trading off all of his knowledge for a free posh estate with constant surveillance), it would probably be some country club for "special" prisoners that are too high-risk to go into a regular penetentuary (sp?). So the taxpayers - including the relatives of the people he "masterminded" the killing of - would end up paying for him to live far too comfortably for the rest of his natural life. 3 meals a day, cable tv, a full gym, college degrees, book deals, pounds of mail each week from sympathizers telling him to keep his hopes up, endless appeals... etc etc.

Oh fuck it. Let's just bunk him up with Charles Manson and see what happens.
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