Another observation on current business...

[softball]

After following the can spam shelleehale fiasco, it occurs to me that I used to post on this very forum about rampant spammers and how they cost us all money. This forum was driven by nick@ilynx and his partner who was one of the biggest "mailers" ever. I used to post how it was costing all of us very large, and was shit on for being a whiner. But I knew that these guys were thieves and lacked real talent. A lot of "old school" guys made a lot of money out of what we are discussing today. And they still talk fondly of those good old days, which I think were actually immoral and criminal, whether you escaped by the skin of your teeth or not. I always maintained that this had nothing to do with acumen...it was more akin to selling crack (any moron can do it), but I have to say that I was dumped on from a very high altitude for saying what is being posted on this board today. Y'all know who posted what (except for Rcourt who has no clue), but it is nice to know that what was so obvious, actually happened. Fortunately, as we know now, guys like the previous owners of this board are not doing so well ...and that is an understatement. There is something to be learned from genuine "old school" which is not just ten fucking years (yeah pat yourselves on the back)....but true wisdom...like the tortoise and the hare.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

After following the can spam shelleehale fiasco, it occurs to me that I used to post on this very forum about rampant spammers and how they cost us all money. This forum was driven by nick@ilynx and his partner who was one of the biggest "mailers" ever. I used to post how it was costing all of us very large, and was shit on for being a whiner. But I knew that these guys were thieves and lacked real talent. A lot of "old school" guys made a lot of money out of what we are discussing today. And they still talk fondly of those good old days, which I think were actually immoral and criminal, whether you escaped by the skin of your teeth or not. I always maintained that this had nothing to do with acumen...it was more akin to selling crack (any moron can do it), but I have to say that I was dumped on from a very high altitude for saying what is being posted on this board today. Y'all know who posted what (except for Rcourt who has no clue), but it is nice to know that what was so obvious, actually happened. Fortunately, as we know now, guys like the previous owners of this board are not doing so well ...and that is an understatement. There is something to be learned from genuine "old school" which is not just ten fucking years (yeah pat yourselves on the back)....but true wisdom...like the tortoise and the hare.

I've gotta wonder what the true overall cost of spam to the internet is in terms of bandwidth and server power?

Up until the last year or so I hosted my own email for alot of my domains. These domains all had published addresses for auto responders, mail forms, things likes that. It finally got to the point that I was tired of spending the few hours a month it took to stay on top of updating anti-spam tools, tweaking rules and filters just to be able to actually READ the real pieces of mail inbetween the spam.

Where I really snapped was when I realized I was going to have to add additional servers just to host my email, and this is on some high end well tuned boxes. My databases were slowing down because I had multiple domains that were receiving over a million pieces of email every 24 hours. I'm not exaggerating....over a MILLION.... You could tail the maillog and it would spin like a slot machine 24/7.

I outsourced all of my email handling. It saves just little old me over $1000 a month in server and bandwidth. I never realized it was that much or I would've done it much sooner. And that doesn't include the man hours wasted updating the spam tools or trying to wade thru the spam that made it thru anyway.

Now can you imagine how much extra capacity something like gmail or hotmail has to have just to receive reject or delete all this garbage.

Email is one of the most useful tools on the net and it has been rendered all but useless by many of these jackasses.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

I outsourced all of my email handling. It saves just little old me over $1000 a month in server and bandwidth. I never realized it was that much or I would've done it much sooner. And that doesn't include the man hours wasted updating the spam tools or trying to wade thru the spam that made it thru anyway..

Wow, thats amazing! Geeeze... it never occured to me that I could outsource our email services for our clients... we have gone through the same thing and added another machine just to hand email which is almost all junk anyway... a VERY good idea Hell Puppy... thank you!

[Mediaguy]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

After following the can spam shelleehale fiasco, it occurs to me that I used to post on this very forum about rampant spammers and how they cost us all money. This forum was driven by nick@ilynx and his partner who was one of the biggest "mailers" ever. I used to post how it was costing all of us very large, and was shit on for being a whiner. But I knew that these guys were thieves and lacked real talent. A lot of "old school" guys made a lot of money out of what we are discussing today. And they still talk fondly of those good old days, which I think were actually immoral and criminal, whether you escaped by the skin of your teeth or not. I always maintained that this had nothing to do with acumen...it was more akin to selling crack (any moron can do it), but I have to say that I was dumped on from a very high altitude for saying what is being posted on this board today. Y'all know who posted what (except for Rcourt who has no clue), but it is nice to know that what was so obvious, actually happened. Fortunately, as we know now, guys like the previous owners of this board are not doing so well ...and that is an understatement. There is something to be learned from genuine "old school" which is not just ten fucking years (yeah pat yourselves on the back)....but true wisdom...like the tortoise and the hare.

You were seriously dumped on by being anti-spam? Come on!

Ok I may be fairly new to the game (just five years) but I thought spam was just the province of those few who could get away with it.

Everywhere, programs and such, all admonish against email and/or spam marketting...

And it MUST work since I still get so much of it ... but really porn spam has virtually disappeared from my inbox; it's all mainstream stuff now...

.

[2MuchMark]

Hi -

Does Spam REALLY work? The only people who I think have ever said that Spam works, is spammers themselves.

Is there anyone here who has spammed or has paid for spam, and got positive results back?

m

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Does Spam REALLY work? The only people who I think have ever said that Spam works, is spammers themselves.

Is there anyone here who has spammed or has paid for spam, and got positive results back?

m

I have never emailed but for the past 14-15 years I have been involved with direct-marketing databases and doing the snailmail version of spam (direct mail).

It does work.

Now our version of it is quite targetted so our response rates usually run between 10-20% which is much higher than you see in a non-targetted campaign.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

Ok I may be fairly new to the game (just five years) but I thought spam was just the province of those few who could get away with it.

Prior to CAN-SPAM, spamming was pretty much legal and many people made a lot of money off of it.

Since CAN-SPAM, there are still many who make some pretty good money emailing CAN-SPAM compliant emails.

[softball]

My argument was never about the legality, but just that it was very bad for the business of porn. The residual effect of all that crap is still being felt. I hate spam, spammers as much as I hate spam phone calls at dinner time. This shit makes everyone look bad and scared a lot of people off the net. Not just spam, but all the other dishonest, quasi legal, and crappy business practices. It all started with the fucking pop up. Which I, and most, hate to this day.

[2MuchMark]

Sorry, what I mean is, is there anyone here who sells a product (say, Porn), and uses Spam to promote it - are you making sales from that Spam?

And speaking of Spam, most of the spam that I get is not porn related at all, but mostly for fake watches and viagra.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Sorry, what I mean is, is there anyone here who sells a product (say, Porn), and uses Spam to promote it - are you making sales from that Spam?

And speaking of Spam, most of the spam that I get is not porn related at all, but mostly for fake watches and viagra.

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