Adult Video Producers Whine

gonzo · 02-05-2008

Heres an excerpt from my buddy Mike South's blog from yet another one person from the video side of the business bleating about FREE Porn.

In case you haven’t noticed, this business now sucks beyond belief! Making a decent living from it, especially for many production people and others, is more difficult than ever. Yah, some companies and the people who make their content for them will survive. Some will even thrive. But for most, it’s Judgement Day.
Why would any jerk-off pay for porn to jerk off to? It’s all free on the net! I see lots of sites with 100s of 20 and 30 minute clips for free–you don’t even have to register. The clips are high quality, their screen size is big, and they stream almost instantly. The only way I can see any of them making money is they have ads for adult dating sites and such. There’s that much money in that shit? Do these sites pay for the clips? I don’t know. I don’t care. It is what it is. Much of the industry is being brought, financially, to its knees. Anyone who says that ain’t so is either a liar or delusional. Why worry about obscenity prosecutions or 2257? Free content is Porn Enemy #1. Here’s another way to look at it: We’ve seen the enemy and it is us.
Those who figure out how to make money from “free” are the ones who might make some money. Unfortunately, I’m a production guy and I can’t figure out how to offer my production services for free (i.e., shooting stills or video) and still make money from doing so. Advertiser-supported production people? You think someone’s gonna pay me to shoot while I’m wearing a sandwich sign advertising their company or products? I don’t think so. If you know how I can get paid by working for free, please let me know.
Retailers must be hurting too. Many of them, I hear, are converting to soft-core-ish stores: Remodeling, carrying lots of toys and lingerie, appealing to couples and chicks. The raincoaters never had it so good! They simply get their fix on the net… for free… and they don’t even have to don the raincoat!
I heard the show was a joke. They gave away booths for free just so it didn’t look like a ghost town. Everyone said the crowds seemed smaller. Maybe. Or maybe the aisle space was so wide (with such fewer booths) it just seemed like the crowd was smaller. I didn’t go. Didn’t go last year either. Why would I go? There’s no business to book there. I can speak to anyone who might book me while I’m right here, in LA, without spending the dough to go to Vegas. I also got tired of risking my health from some god-awful colds or flus that almost everyone is guaranteed to come home with. Going to the show ceased being fun years ago. These days, going to the show is practically a textbook case of masochism.

Heres my comment and please add yours....
Judgement day is right. Anyone that didnt take the time to learn the economics of using the web as a markeing and promo tool will soon be looking for insurance jobs.

I make more money now than I have ever made in my life. I turned off my pay sites years ago and now that all the shit is starting to die off Im rebuilding them all again.

You can whime about free porn all you want. The fact remains that it is here to stay and those that use it as a tool can make a good living.

Those that dont bother with it better lube up those Harleys and grease down their hair.

http://www.mikesouth.com/reader-mail...n-valley-1848/

EmporerEJ · 02-06-2008

Yes, I think I've said this at least a 100 times.....
At some point the "video" side of the industry, and there is a "video side of the industry," as Gonzo clearly points out and draws a line...is gonna suddenly wake up and see what's happening over here.

Let the fallout begin.
Best time to be in a part of the business that is not affected by supply side economics.

2MuchMark · 02-06-2008

Gonzo,

Where you may see "Judgement day", others are seeing opportunities. Expand your scope a little and perhaps those opportunities will reveal themselves to you as well.

Regards,
Mark Prince, 2Much Internet Services Inc
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

gonzo · 02-06-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Gonzo,

Where you may see "Judgement day", others are seeing opportunities. Expand your scope a little and perhaps those opportunities will reveal themselves to you as well.

Regards,
Mark Prince, 2Much Internet Services Inc
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Mark... save your advice for your paying customers.
Im not interested.

2MuchMark · 02-06-2008

Alright.

It's clear that I'm not wanted here so this will be my last visit to this website. Goodbye everybody. I wish everyone the very best of success.

Mark Prince

Sexyteaser · 02-06-2008

Well we hired and intern that showed me a lot of the free porn that circulates the college scenes and it was interesting but we used her knowledge and resources as we developed our sites and in time we will see if it pays off. Traffic is huge and offering anything for free even Porn can generate a lot of traffic that could be useful in upsales on other sites and product lines.

We all know times are changing and money is tight for business owners and users. Look at the great and not so great talent available within this industry right now. There is a lot of people looking for work.

I think this is a good time to consolidate and adult video producers could and should align themselves with companies that can give them a contract. Using what you have for viral marketing would be really smart. Think more mainstream business wise.

I think that the market is saturated and there is a lot of good content available right now for next to nothing and nothing so how do you compete with that? First thing I will say is branding and then second get ahead of the curve make some smart moves now so you don't have to come from a place of desperation later. If you want some ideas or to brainstorm I would not necessarily do it on a board but post the need and then go offline and discuss.

Hell Puppy · 02-06-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Alright.

It's clear that I'm not wanted here so this will be my last visit to this website. Goodbye everybody. I wish everyone the very best of success.

Mark Prince

Who are you again?

Are you the dude who was passed out at the pool in Miami a couple of years back with ketchup on his head?

02-06-2008	#2
EmporerEJ Brilliant Innoventionalist and writer. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: USA, Northern Hemisphere, Terra, 3rd of nine, Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy, Far from Galactic Core Posts: 2,260	Re: Adult Video Producers Whine Yes, I think I've said this at least a 100 times..... At some point the "video" side of the industry, and there is a "video side of the industry," as Gonzo clearly points out and draws a line...is gonna suddenly wake up and see what's happening over here. Let the fallout begin. Best time to be in a part of the business that is not affected by supply side economics. __________________ Eric J. White VirtualSexMachine.com

02-06-2008	#3
2MuchMark SigWhore Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 281	Re: Adult Video Producers Whine Gonzo, Where you may see "Judgement day", others are seeing opportunities. Expand your scope a little and perhaps those opportunities will reveal themselves to you as well. Regards, Mark Prince, 2Much Internet Services Inc http://www.2Much.net http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

02-06-2008	#5
2MuchMark SigWhore Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 281	Re: Adult Video Producers Whine Alright. It's clear that I'm not wanted here so this will be my last visit to this website. Goodbye everybody. I wish everyone the very best of success. Mark Prince

02-06-2008	#6
Sexyteaser Working on a "clone" of Pornotube Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 350	Re: Adult Video Producers Whine Well we hired and intern that showed me a lot of the free porn that circulates the college scenes and it was interesting but we used her knowledge and resources as we developed our sites and in time we will see if it pays off. Traffic is huge and offering anything for free even Porn can generate a lot of traffic that could be useful in upsales on other sites and product lines. We all know times are changing and money is tight for business owners and users. Look at the great and not so great talent available within this industry right now. There is a lot of people looking for work. I think this is a good time to consolidate and adult video producers could and should align themselves with companies that can give them a contract. Using what you have for viral marketing would be really smart. Think more mainstream business wise. I think that the market is saturated and there is a lot of good content available right now for next to nothing and nothing so how do you compete with that? First thing I will say is branding and then second get ahead of the curve make some smart moves now so you don't have to come from a place of desperation later. If you want some ideas or to brainstorm I would not necessarily do it on a board but post the need and then go offline and discuss.

02-05-2008	#1
gonzo Fat Fucking Nobody Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta,Ga. Posts: 17,795 Blog Entries: 11	Adult Video Producers Whine Heres an excerpt from my buddy Mike South's blog from yet another one person from the video side of the business bleating about FREE Porn. In case you haven’t noticed, this business now sucks beyond belief! Making a decent living from it, especially for many production people and others, is more difficult than ever. Yah, some companies and the people who make their content for them will survive. Some will even thrive. But for most, it’s Judgement Day. Why would any jerk-off pay for porn to jerk off to? It’s all free on the net! I see lots of sites with 100s of 20 and 30 minute clips for free–you don’t even have to register. The clips are high quality, their screen size is big, and they stream almost instantly. The only way I can see any of them making money is they have ads for adult dating sites and such. There’s that much money in that shit? Do these sites pay for the clips? I don’t know. I don’t care. It is what it is. Much of the industry is being brought, financially, to its knees. Anyone who says that ain’t so is either a liar or delusional. Why worry about obscenity prosecutions or 2257? Free content is Porn Enemy #1. Here’s another way to look at it: We’ve seen the enemy and it is us. Those who figure out how to make money from “free” are the ones who might make some money. Unfortunately, I’m a production guy and I can’t figure out how to offer my production services for free (i.e., shooting stills or video) and still make money from doing so. Advertiser-supported production people? You think someone’s gonna pay me to shoot while I’m wearing a sandwich sign advertising their company or products? I don’t think so. If you know how I can get paid by working for free, please let me know. Retailers must be hurting too. Many of them, I hear, are converting to soft-core-ish stores: Remodeling, carrying lots of toys and lingerie, appealing to couples and chicks. The raincoaters never had it so good! They simply get their fix on the net… for free… and they don’t even have to don the raincoat! I heard the show was a joke. They gave away booths for free just so it didn’t look like a ghost town. Everyone said the crowds seemed smaller. Maybe. Or maybe the aisle space was so wide (with such fewer booths) it just seemed like the crowd was smaller. I didn’t go. Didn’t go last year either. Why would I go? There’s no business to book there. I can speak to anyone who might book me while I’m right here, in LA, without spending the dough to go to Vegas. I also got tired of risking my health from some god-awful colds or flus that almost everyone is guaranteed to come home with. Going to the show ceased being fun years ago. These days, going to the show is practically a textbook case of masochism. Heres my comment and please add yours.... Judgement day is right. Anyone that didnt take the time to learn the economics of using the web as a markeing and promo tool will soon be looking for insurance jobs. I make more money now than I have ever made in my life. I turned off my pay sites years ago and now that all the shit is starting to die off Im rebuilding them all again. You can whime about free porn all you want. The fact remains that it is here to stay and those that use it as a tool can make a good living. Those that dont bother with it better lube up those Harleys and grease down their hair. http://www.mikesouth.com/reader-mail...n-valley-1848/ __________________ We are putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage." "Never try and be like anyone else" - Hunter S. Thompson "The truth is the truth no matter how you try and package a lie" - Shellee Hale