Thoughts on hr4472 ?

[JoesHO]

We all know censorship is a slippery slope ....

and we all know I am a liberal .


However just to play devils advocate here .

do you see any GOOD to come from this ? or do you honestly think it is just a harrasment tactic?


I mean is it time to legislate the wild content theft, and absurd amount of easy access pics to kids? Why do you think the statues are not actually aimed at this outcome ?

I mean PORN magazines and movies have always been around and have not been under such scrutiny. as they have safe guards already in effect .

have we thought objectiivly about the purpose of this all the way through ?

What is your take on it ?

[TheEnforcer]

First explain what hr4472 is and then I'll comment about it. Or link to an article that explains it.

[JoesHO]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-4472

[JoesHO]

Passed by both houses, and is looking to be signed by Bush on the 27th and become LAW!

if you are in this industry without a lawyer, and/or are any type of affiliate, you better get one PRONTO!

[Hammer]

I'm not so sure I'd run right out and hire an attorney, but I would recommend becoming a member of the FSC. They will certainly add this to their current lawsuit and we'll be covered by an injunction, just like we are currently, with the 2257 issue. Much of this bill is just as unconstitutional as many of the recent changes to 2257 and this will be tied up in the courts for years.

[fusionx]

Here's the full text (very long!) http://www.fight2257.com/full-text-of-hr-4472/

Here's a great article by Mark Kernes of AVN: http://www.fight2257.com/full-text-of-hr-4472/?p=127

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I'm not so sure I'd run right out and hire an attorney, but I would recommend becoming a member of the FSC. They will certainly add this to their current lawsuit and we'll be covered by an injunction, just like we are currently, with the 2257 issue. Much of this bill is just as unconstitutional as many of the recent changes to 2257 and this will be tied up in the courts for years.

Ricoh stipulations, and 20yrs.... hmmm not a chance I am willing to take on a message board opinion.


Ricoh = forfitures of assets i.e. house, cars, PC,s bank accounts, etc......

beter not hope for the best in this case .

Better be DAMN SURE

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-4472

Glad I only do toons. Saw this shit coming a country mile ago and warned you guys way back when.



I can draw all the toons I want. Fuckin' with me about it is a violation of the First Amendment in a baaaaddddd way.

I was starting a new paysite and was going to add movies and pics but won't now. Instead I'll add just nude models of interest to art/drawing/painting/sculpture.

These new laws are just another socialist attempt to sue you guys doin' hardcore to pay for lawyers and doctors for poor people.

I'm glad though they're pumping up the volume on organized crime, sex offenders and racketeers. Extending the statute of limitations on certain crimes of violence is good.

[Hammer]

Sorry Greg, but I think your bubble is about to be burst, because they are talking about toons and anime when they refer to 'simulated sex'.

[pam]

Last year someone was busted for toons depicting underaged sex ....

I'm upset over this legislation but I don't do x-rated so won't worry about my sites. However, this limits what I can do without worrying.

I wish they would realize that most real CP is not produced by adult webmasters.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Sorry Greg, but I think your bubble is about to be burst, because they are talking about toons and anime when they refer to 'simulated sex'.

Nope, called in and asked on that one. They're talking digital manipulation of images or photographs/movies or CG depictions.

Problem was people were taking real photos and manipulating them to look like you know what and that pissed off too many people.

Also, using computer graphics CG stuff to simulate CP. Guys thought they would get away with it under 1st amendment because no real humans were involved.

Now it's agin' the law. Should be.