Actual Business Thread #2

[RyanLanane]

Carrying on in the tradition Aeon has started, which by the way that is a great thread going on over there... I figured I would start another subject that would affect all of us and most likely there will be altering opinions on.

Can any site you make, no matter whether or not there are products that would be directly marketable to your consumer base, make you money ? Let me try to think of an example...

You decide to open up a site about the Chicago Cubs, and there are no affilaite programs for you to sell Cubs merchandise through to make money.. There are no vendors that will drop ship for you, nothing... But you can get a steady amount of traffic through it. To make this discussion more debatable, let's say you can't sell any sports merchandise at all, can't link to sport's gambling sites, etc... Absolutely nothing that would demographically fit your audience.

How do you handle such a situation? Doy ou fly double click or one of the other ad agencies? Strictly Google Ad Words and pray... I am interested in hearing thoughts about this, and in a sense Aeon this does have to deal with your cross selling question, just from a different angle.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

Carrying on in the tradition Aeon has started, which by the way that is a great thread going on over there... I figured I would start another subject that would affect all of us and most likely there will be altering opinions on.

Can any site you make, no matter whether or not there are products that would be directly marketable to your consumer base, make you money ? Let me try to think of an example...

You decide to open up a site about the Chicago Cubs, and there are no affilaite programs for you to sell Cubs merchandise through to make money.. There are no vendors that will drop ship for you, nothing... But you can get a steady amount of traffic through it. To make this discussion more debatable, let's say you can't sell any sports merchandise at all, can't link to sport's gambling sites, etc... Absolutely nothing that would demographically fit your audience.

How do you handle such a situation? Doy ou fly double click or one of the other ad agencies? Strictly Google Ad Words and pray... I am interested in hearing thoughts about this, and in a sense Aeon this does have to deal with your cross selling question, just from a different angle.

If you have nothing to sell why would you open a free site?
With that little info you have given here and hypothetically.... at first glance Id say your revenue choices are Adwords which may or may not take you and Adbrite.

And in that case good luck with both of them.
Nick or Serge will tell you someone will always buy your traffic. You might have to go looking for them in this case..... hypothetically.

[RyanLanane]

Gonzo, why did the first free porn site ever open?

Eventually there will be a reason for any and every free site to be built, meaning eventually there will be someone willing to pay for the traffic.. However in the meantime you are left with nowhere but google etc..

Unless, of course, you become the company who would buy the traffic in that particular field.. I.E. The first pay porn site on the net; in your respective field.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

Gonzo, why did the first free porn site ever open?

Eventually there will be a reason for any and every free site to be built, meaning eventually there will be someone willing to pay for the traffic.. However in the meantime you are left with nowhere but google etc..

Unless, of course, you become the company who would buy the traffic in that particular field.. I.E. The first pay porn site on the net; in your respective field.

I see another thread... Sharky wants your quality traffic.

[Dravyk]

Ryan, this is my own thoughts, although they certainly parallel what Gonzo said in his first reply to you. Your question is so limiting that you've painted yourself into a corner with your words. By the way you set that up, you can only do Google because that's how you set it up.

Want to try again?

[Hell Puppy]

Anything worth doing is worth doing for money...

But with that said some of the most successful sites on the web have been created out of a true passion by their creator. In the case of a Cubs fan site, maybe a life long Cubs fan starts the site out of pure dedication to the team. Say it eventually gets a message board or something for other Cubs fans, etc.

The key is if it is indeed successful it will have the most important fuel of the internet: Traffic.

If you've got traffic, money that wants that traffic will find you.

[slavdogg]

Ryan a lot of money could be made from a forum with all kinds addicts .. coke, sex, whatever...

addiction related ad rates are pretty high and AdSense or yahoo ads are your best bet for money making in this field
Here just take a look at all the advertisers on this site addiction.com

[PornoDoggy]

For the Cubs site you mentioned, if you can't sell the "natural"/logical stuff (MLB logo'd items), then you'll have to work harder to sell something else. [Of course, the Cardinals fan in me thinks that a Cub site could do well selling, oh - herbal remedies for depression, for example. ]

For the other site - the idea that there is a "recovery" community out there that embraces all of the various and sundry ?A's is a myth. Drunks, druggies, gamblers, et al don't mix well. Hell, you've even got the CA (cocaine) folks who think they're different from a normal, run-of-the-mill junkie.

From a business perspective, I see far more potential in a baseball site than a recovery site.

[Nickatilynx]

Ryan ,

Sorry mate LOL....but I just keep hearing this song in my head...

"I was going to build a site for addicts , but then I got high"

LOL

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Ryan ,

Sorry mate LOL....but I just keep hearing this song in my head...

"I was going to build a site for addicts , but then I got high"

LOL

oh, that's fucking funny.

if i could find the link to the damned smilies i'd post one with a smilie laying on the floor laughing his ass off.

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

oh, that's fucking funny.

if i could find the link to the damned smilies i'd post one with a smilie laying on the floor laughing his ass off.

HP, make your settings go to advanced posting (or whatever it's called.)

Meanwhile, 'ere you go:

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

HP, make your settings go to advanced posting (or whatever it's called.)

Meanwhile, 'ere you go:

Found 'em, hell, that should be the default, i never noticed it...

[RyanLanane]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Ryan ,

Sorry mate LOL....but I just keep hearing this song in my head...

"I was going to build a site for addicts , but then I got high"

LOL

Anyone have a link to the song?

Classic Nick... Classic One of the best smiles I have had today bro

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

Anyone have a link to the song?

Classic Nick... Classic One of the best smiles I have had today bro

"Because I Got High" - Afroman

It's Like, I don't care about nothin man,
roll another blunt, Yea (ohh ohh ohh),

La da da da da da La, Da Daaa,
La da da da, La da da da, La da da daaa

I was gonna clean my room until I got high
I was gonna get up and find the broom but then I got high
my room is still messed up and I know why (why man?) yea heyy,
- cause I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I was gonna go to class before I got high
I coulda cheated and I coulda passed but I got high
(La da da da da da da da da)
I am taking it next semester and I know why, (why man?) yea heyy,
- cause I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I was gonna go to work but then I got high
I just got a new promotion but I got high
now I'm selling dope and I know why (why man?) yea heayy,
- cause I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I was gonna go to court before I got high
I was gonna pay my child support but then I got high
they took my whole paycheck and I know why (why man?) yea heayy,
- cause I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I wasn't gonna run from the cops but I was high
I was gonna pull right over and stop but I was high
(La da da da da da da da da)
Now I am a paraplegic and i know why (why man?) yea heayy,
- because I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I was gonna pay my car note until I got high
I wasn't gonna gamble on the boat but then I got high
now the tow truck is pulling away and I know why (why man?) yea heyy,
- because I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I was gonna make love to you but then I got high
I was gonna eat yo pussy too but then I got high
now I'm jacking off and I know why, yea heyy,
- cause I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I messed up my entire life because I got high
I lost my kids and wife because I got high
now I'm sleeping on the sidewalk and I know why (why man?) yea heyy,
- cause I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I'm gonna stop singing this song because I'm high
I'm singing this whole thing wrong because I'm high
and if I dont sell one copy I know why (why man?) yea heyy,
- cause I'm high [repeat 3X]

La da da da da da, La da da da, Shoop shooby doo wop.

Get jiggy wit it, skibbidy bee bop diddy do wahhh

- cause I'm high [repeat 3X]

(hey where the cluck at cuz) [clucks]

Well my name is afroman and I'm from east pomdale (east-pom-dale)
and all the tolweed I be smokin is bomb as helllllll (excelent delivery)
I don't beleive in Hitler, that's what I said (oh my goodness)
so all of you skins (skins) please give me more head

[grimm]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

Carrying on in the tradition Aeon has started, which by the way that is a great thread going on over there... I figured I would start another subject that would affect all of us and most likely there will be altering opinions on.

Can any site you make, no matter whether or not there are products that would be directly marketable to your consumer base, make you money ? Let me try to think of an example...

You decide to open up a site about the Chicago Cubs, and there are no affilaite programs for you to sell Cubs merchandise through to make money.. There are no vendors that will drop ship for you, nothing... But you can get a steady amount of traffic through it. To make this discussion more debatable, let's say you can't sell any sports merchandise at all, can't link to sport's gambling sites, etc... Absolutely nothing that would demographically fit your audience.

How do you handle such a situation? Doy ou fly double click or one of the other ad agencies? Strictly Google Ad Words and pray... I am interested in hearing thoughts about this, and in a sense Aeon this does have to deal with your cross selling question, just from a different angle.

you can always find a destination for traffic. brokerages will use your traffic. also, think of demographics.. a cubs fan is going to be a baseball fan. there are plenty of affiliate networks set up for that demographic. your traffic will fit with all sorts of cross-marketed merchandise, services and websites. mlb.com, FWIW uses an ad network (i think doubleclick) doubleclick would take your traffic, target it, and spread it out under keyword demographics. A good example from a few years back is how the demographics from porn surfers overlayed with the demographic of WWE fans, Casino affiliate programs, and other such products. with the expansion of audiences these opportunities would be endless. making of a community, blog, etc to cultivate your cubs traffic will result in the bringing in of members with similar interests and compound the value of your traffic. if you have a live, clicking eyeball, with a pulse and an interest, the important thing to realize is they are probably interested in something else as well, unless they are say, Ernie Banks find what makes them tick, grow and cultivate a member base, or flat out sell the traffic to an agency that will use it to their own disposal as a last resort.