Naked Rhino VS NATS

[gonzo]

I hear a rumor that there is going to be a big announcement concerning this lawsuit.

Do you think NATS made libelous accusations or do you think Naked Rhino was stealing from the affiliates?


ANSWER IS COMING SOON!!!

[helix]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I hear a rumor that there is going to be a big announcement concerning this lawsuit.

Do you think NATS made libelous accusations or do you think Naked Rhino was stealing from the affiliates?


ANSWER IS COMING SOON!!!

I thought that was already finished......give us the dirt!

[Jace]

I think we know that answer considering Jason Tucker is no longer listed as part of No Rivals Media anymore

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Jace

I think we know that answer considering Jason Tucker is no longer listed as part of No Rivals Media anymore

lol that doesnt mean anything

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Forest

lol that doesnt mean anything

oh yeah it does

in fact falconfoto.com was redirecting to http://www.norivals.com/ since he joined up with them, and now all the sudden it is back to the regular homepage

one more thing, not only is it jason tucker that is removed from these pages, but his wife AND lawyers were all up there too, and they are now gone

http://norivalsmedia.com/no-rivals-about-us.htm

http://norivalsmedia.com/no-rivals-contacts-main.htm

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Jace

oh yeah it does

in fact falconfoto.com was redirecting to http://www.norivals.com/ since he joined up with them, and now all the sudden it is back to the regular homepage

one more thing, not only is it jason tucker that is removed from these pages, but his wife AND lawyers were all up there too, and they are now gone

http://norivalsmedia.com/no-rivals-about-us.htm

http://norivalsmedia.com/no-rivals-contacts-main.htm

so what your trying to say (im only on my first cup of coffee) is because his name doesnt appear anywhere that means he has nothing to do with them anymore?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Jace

I think we know that answer considering Jason Tucker is no longer listed as part of No Rivals Media anymore

Hmmm, interesting. I wonder if all those affiliates will finally get paid?

[gonzo]

I hear Chad is so very sad.

[raymor]

I've talked to both of them at length. I didn't go into much detail about this issue with the NATS
guys, but I have gotten to know them. In my opinion, Naked Rhino probably didn't cheat
any affiliates. In my opinion, NATS was trying to do the right thing but we all make mistakes
sometimes and they made the same mistake that I've made - publicly posting something
that shouldn't have been posted - at least not yet. I can understand that 100% because
in the past I've posted things about NATS that I shouldn't have posted. That's just my guess
or prediction. I don't know any facts that aren't public and am speaking only from the impression
I have about the people involved. Both seemed to be reasonably honest people. Things just
became public too soon, before anyone really knew 100% for sure what all was going.
I don't do business with scammers, liars, or cheaters. I still do business with Naked Rhino,
who uses Strongbox, and NATS, whose product I recommend and who recommends Strongbox.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Toby

Hmmm, interesting. I wonder if all those affiliates will finally get paid?

Does someone have a list of who wasn't paid or were you one of them? When I hear people say things like " all those affiliates" is that a matter of fact or just board perception.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by will76

Does someone have a list of who wasn't paid or were you one of them? When I hear people say things like " all those affiliates" is that a matter of fact or just board perception.

Fortunately for me I was no longer promoting XclusiveCash when all this came down, so I wasn't owed any money.

I'm not aware of a list, but to my knowledge no payments have been made to any XclusiveCash affiliates since the dispute with NATS occurred.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by will76

Does someone have a list of who wasn't paid or were you one of them? When I hear people say things like " all those affiliates" is that a matter of fact or just board perception.

I personally know of at least 10 people that promoted them that are still owed money...one is owed upwards of $10k at this point

[will76]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I hear a rumor that there is going to be a big announcement concerning this lawsuit.

Do you think NATS made libelous accusations or do you think Naked Rhino was stealing from the affiliates?


ANSWER IS COMING SOON!!!

Thats the one good thing about court cases (one of the few good things )is that everyone gets the facts. You can read the judgement and all of the circumstances involved with the case and in most instances there is a clear cut winner and loser (or guilty not guilty party).

I didn't get involved with the board drama when this broke a couple years back. I knew nothing about either party involved. I read back over the orginal posts that John made and it was par for the course of the typical John we have seen posting a lot over the last 6 months.

John seems to fly off the handle and make lots of emotional posts without thinking things through.

I think the whole NR / Nats situation caused a lot of existing and potential nats clients to realize exactly how much control the software owner has over your business. He could destroy your business if he wanted, pulling someone's license and hinting that they were shaving then locking them out of the affiliate stats area, making them spend a tremdious amount of time, money, and resources to move off of your system, in turn losing all of your affiliates over it.... well I would hope the post he made wasn't just purely emotional. I don't know if John realizes how much power has over people and their livelyhood or maybe he does and that is why he is the way he is.

One thing I woud like to point out... If someone was guilty of shaving, I don't think very many of them would fight for years and spend (i am assuming) 10K's of thousands of dollars in attorney's fees. If someone is shaddy or a scammer, 99 out of 100 times they get busted they go away, make a new name and try to come back up as someone else and hope no one will notice. So on that point alone I think it says a lot what NR is doing and has done. That vs the way John has handled things in the last 6 months or so and how cocky and arrogant he is, my money is that NR wasn't in the wrong and John fucked up and his ego and arrogance got the best of him and he destroyed another company because of it. (but those are just my opinions.) We will find out soon enough.