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Woody Allen Joins Anti-Bush Bandwagon
Actor/director Woody Allen blasted US president George W Bush when he collected his lifetime achievement award at Spain's San Sebastian film festival on Friday. Allen - who is currently shooting an untitled movie in London - insisted it would be "tragic" if Bush was re-elected in November. He says, "If you observe (Bush), it's quite amusing. If you listen to him as he speaks, if you follow him closely, it would provide you a great many laughs. But it's the perfect example of islands of comedy, comic moments against a very, very tragic background." Allen's criticism comes after directors Jonathan Demme and Wim Wenders condemned the state of American politics at the Venice Film Festival earlier this month.
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If only the evangelical nutjobs could know that chatroom romeo and a bunch of neocon smut slingers are rallying behind the prodigal son, this clusterfuck would be over before it started.
Originally posted by aeon@Sep 22 2004, 03:17 PM If only the evangelical nutjobs could know that chatroom romeo and a bunch of neocon smut slingers are rallying behind the prodigal son, this clusterfuck would be over before it started.
I resent being called neocon.
I was Con back before it was cool. Plus the NeoCon's had a do-good mentality, thinking that US power can fix all situations.
I know better.
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This will be picked up when I get back...but before I head out - a little clue, this isn't the cold war..the Russians weren't willing to die for a theological ideal - making comparison's between the two is asinine. Evangelical Xtians who are guided by the scripture Vs radical muslims.
Why didn't we invade Iran...they're on their way to nukes & openly support Hezbollah? We invaded Iraq - an insignificant entity.
Originally posted by aeon@Sep 22 2004, 04:26 PM This will be picked up when I get back...but before I head out - a little clue, this isn't the cold war..the Russians weren't willing to die for a theological ideal - making comparison's between the two is asinine. Evangelical Xtians who are guided by the scripture Vs radical muslims.
Why didn't we invade Iran...they're on their way to nukes & openly support Hezbollah? We invaded Iraq - an insignificant entity.
to be continued....
I was comapiring to cold war only to point out the time frame. It took 50+ years to defeat the commies. We did not have much combat during this time. Obviously with our current conflict we will need more combat.
You are correct the Russians were not suicidal, thus containment and isolation was a good strategy.
I agree about Iran. Iraq was an easierr target. Think of where US forces now are, and look where Iran is. I would like to think there is a larger strategy. I hope so for our sake. But since I am not invited not national security meetings I am not sure.
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I am not invited to National Security Council meetings either, but what I have seen so far suggests a strategy based on an ology - theology, ideology, perhaps both - that has a serious disconnect from reality. The mere fact that we took on the nation-building project in Iraq before the job was done in Afghanistan suggests that the planning department has little understanding of the battle we are fighting. The failure to adequately prepare for the occupation of Iraq is even more evidence that the man at the helm doesn't know how to read a chart.
An Afghani terrorized by a warlord or a druglord is easy prey for Taliban-like rhetoric. An Iraqi living in chaos without the prospect of gainful employment can easilly be persuaded that it is the fault of the Great Satan.
I am a believer in bleeding hearts when it comes to Islamic terrorists - I believe we should make their hearts (and asses and heads and any other body part we can sink a bullet into) bleed until they stop drawing breath. What I am concerned about, however, is the tendency of the right to grasp onto simple solutions to complex problems.
The problem of Islamic terrorists is not very different than the problem of communists 50 years ago. There is, of course, a dedicated cadre of true believers who would love to turn a Taliban-style government loose on the world. Then there are those who grasp onto Islamic fundamentalism as the only POLITICAL option open to them. Failure to distinguish between the two, and the failure to ween the one away from the other, is a sure way to LOSE this war.
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Sep 22 2004, 01:48 PM I agree about Iran. Iraq was an easierr target. Think of where US forces now are, and look where Iran is. I would like to think there is a larger strategy. I hope so for our sake. But since I am not invited not national security meetings I am not sure.
Hoping there's a larger strategy is a bit on the "faith" side. I'm too much of a cynic when it comes to politicians and this administration has spun enough BS about their entire fuckups so as to not really leave much room for "faith" in their strategy or judgements. It's comical to watch dynamic dickwads flat out contradict even their own administration's reports.
One major difference I can see between the Cold War and the "War on Terror" is the cold war was "won" economically, we simply out spent them for decades eventually bankrupting the Soviet Union.
The only way to do economic damage is to eliminate the dependency on Oil (which is never going to happen with an administration full of "Oil People")
We can not possibly eliminate "terrorists" with armies, you can not kill into submission an enemy that defines death as a victory. Isreal has been trying for decades.
No matter how many pipe dreams we have about "stabalizing the Middle East" that ain't gonna happen either, it has been an unstable war zone for a thousand years before the US existed.
I fully supported the Afgan War - our attackers were there.
I supported the war in Iraq when the government said there were WMD's - I wanted us find them so we could say FU to the UN, and everyone that voted against us.
Unfortunately, the only proof I have seen is that the adminstration lied about Iraq no doubt about it. No WMD's - NO THREAT to the US at all.
Every reason I have seen anyone give (politicians, and those of us who play politics on Adult message boards) for justification of the Iraq war is either bullshit (by the politicians) or a matter of being unwilling to admit we were lied to.
I just don't think our men and women should be dying in the desert to try and justify a lie.
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 22 2004, 10:26 PM I am not invited to National Security Council meetings either, but what I have seen so far suggests a strategy based on an ology - theology, ideology, perhaps both - that has a serious disconnect from reality. The mere fact that we took on the nation-building project in Iraq before the job was done in Afghanistan suggests that the planning department has little understanding of the battle we are fighting. The failure to adequately prepare for the occupation of Iraq is even more evidence that the man at the helm doesn't know how to read a chart.
An Afghani terrorized by a warlord or a druglord is easy prey for Taliban-like rhetoric. An Iraqi living in chaos without the prospect of gainful employment can easilly be persuaded that it is the fault of the Great Satan.
I am a believer in bleeding hearts when it comes to Islamic terrorists - I believe we should make their hearts (and asses and heads and any other body part we can sink a bullet into) bleed until they stop drawing breath. What I am concerned about, however, is the tendency of the right to grasp onto simple solutions to complex problems.
The problem of Islamic terrorists is not very different than the problem of communists 50 years ago. There is, of course, a dedicated cadre of true believers who would love to turn a Taliban-style government loose on the world. Then there are those who grasp onto Islamic fundamentalism as the only POLITICAL option open to them. Failure to distinguish between the two, and the failure to ween the one away from the other, is a sure way to LOSE this war.
I am amazed PD how much sense you make some time.
Aeon - I am just not as cynical as you. I still have faith in human beings - of coure everyday it gets less and less.
Our enemies use our humanity against us. I keep thinking What Would the Romans Do?
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this must be done by other muslim/arabs. They must be brought into the global economy, so the average kid can have something to dream about, something to aspire to - rather then straping explosives to himself and blowing up a bunch of civilians at a coffee shop.
I havent seen you say this type of thing much.. it's an area that Bush seems to talk about but actually ignores in his actions. If it appeared he had a strategy for this.. and was making some progress, then the rest of your arguments about having faith in Bush for the long term would be easier to take on board I think.
this must be done by other muslim/arabs. They must be brought into the global economy, so the average kid can have something to dream about, something to aspire to - rather then straping explosives to himself and blowing up a bunch of civilians at a coffee shop.
I havent seen you say this type of thing much.. it's an area that Bush seems to talk about but actually ignores in his actions. If it appeared he had a strategy for this.. and was making some progress, then the rest of your arguments about having faith in Bush for the long term would be easier to take on board I think.
I agree. The Bush plan has not been as effective as it should be. I think he put the cart before the ox in many instances. Military force is needed, and should be used but there is a lot more that needs to be done.
I read an interview where Saddam was saying he did what he did for the public good, for the welfare of his country. In a way he might have. Maybe the only way to run an arab country is by violence and fear. Saddam certainly kept people in line.
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Aeon - I am just not as cynical as you. I still have faith in human beings - of coure everyday it gets less and less.
Hes just mad cuz you and Buff wont hook him up with a free "run of the program" password to Purecash. I know hed take notes on Buff's sexual prowess but not before checking out all that teen pussy first!
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Originally posted by aeon@Sep 22 2004, 02:17 PM If only the evangelical nutjobs could know that chatroom romeo and a bunch of neocon smut slingers are rallying behind the prodigal son, this clusterfuck would be over before it started.
You stupid fuck. I never voted for Bush and I'm not voting for him this time. I voted Libertarian in 92, 96, and 2000. This year I'm not voting at all.
Originally posted by Mike AI@Sep 23 2004, 10:42 AM
I read an interview where Saddam was saying he did what he did for the public good, for the welfare of his country. In a way he might have. Maybe the only way to run an arab country is by violence and fear. Saddam certainly kept people in line.
You may be completely correct on this one, but I would not generalize "Arab Country"
The people have lived under dictatorship and strict religous doctrin for so long it may very well take decades for them to be a "democracy".
It also does not help that a large number of the people have been taught from birth that America is "The Great Satan"
I think there are 2 choices to the mess
Leave it alone and get the hell out of there OR
Start eliminating entire cities of people (which make us the same as what we "liberated" them from.
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