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Originally Posted by gonzo
I have to wonder from my own experience what is it you are doing right that others are ineffective with concerning your content with Pornhub.
I know several studios that have tried getting a line of communication with them that couldnt even get a fuck you.
Maybe thats something to take constructively away from this debate.
And I know its no excuse but we both know the very foundation of this industry was built on stolen content. The audio file in this very thread circa 1993 chronicles Lee Noga being busted for selling stolen content to sysops on the Busty Babes series CDs. I have one right here as a matter of fact.
That being said Ive unknowingly supported some scary billing practices in the past.
And I made my share of cash with Wegcash as they paid me for email addresses that I realized later were being collected to spam. That looks harmless now when you compare their free tube site that will recur to a $106 charge in 3 days if you were naive enough to give up a credit card.
It is apparent that each of us have to decide what the cost of doing business is and where to draw the line.
Ill have to honestly say I dont agree with what your doing but I dont think that makes you a bad person either.
All in all Im not one to judge as Im not in your shoes and I dont have the same business pressures as you.
What Im trying to say is that if some of us dont start to work together towards some solutions there isnt going to be much left to make a living with very soon.
Its not just the tube issue.
This industry as a whole has trained the consumer that in most cases they can get their jerk on for free. The ones left willing to pay for value live in fear of being hammered with a bunch of charges for things they didnt want.
Its a perfect storm if you add in the recession and the low bar of entry to make your own porno.
I dont have any of the answers and from what Ive seen no one else does either.
Does anyone reading have any suggestions?
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Ok, this is chock full of stuff to respond to and I may not get to it all but here goes:
What worked for me was simply sugar instead of vinegar, a professional approach that was simple, direct, and succinct. "We don't want our content up without permission and request that you remove it, and, btw, since our content seems so popular on your site why don't we find a way that is mutually profitable". Something along those lines has been highly effective for us. I often received responses like "thank you for your professional demeanor, yes we will work with you, and this is a better approach than the hate mail we typically get..."
Next, I don't expect everyone to do what we do or agree with what we do. Everyone is free to choose their own path in this admittedly difficult arena. I resisted tgp and mgp for a long time, and that cost us dearly in the long run. For us, in this case, I was not going to make the same mistake we made last time. The whole tube debate is fraught with "damned if we do, damned if we don't". That is what makes it so difficult for companies in our position. In our case, we have decided that we are going to make the best of a bad situation and try to survive. Our business model has had to flex and bend and contort many times over the years. What worked yesterday may be tomorrow's downfall. That is true in any industry.
However, I came into this business having studied a very successful grassroots business that thrived on so-called "free content". As a huge Grateful Dead fan I can essentially get any recording of any show I want for free. So why do I pay for their content? The answer lies in premium quality and excellent service and a user experience that justifies me laying out the cash. Based on those principles, I feel that "free content" is never going to wipe out "paid content". More than likely, only those that don't deliver the whole kip and kaboodle will be gone tomorrow and to me that is not a problem but a perk.