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Hell Puppy · 10-08-2009

I've been a member of EFF since 1991. I'm a charter member of the USIIA, I helped get the thing going back when it was the Association of Online Professionals back at One BBSCON the year it was in St. Louis.

And that's why I've been in and out, mostly out, of FSC. I know what a professionally run lobby or activist group should look like, and FSC for the most part hasn't been it. Some good folks there, some good work, but it lacks the effectiveness and transparency to make me throw significant donations at it.

Speaking of EFF, it's odd how the fears change over time. Back in the early 90's you had things like Amateur Action, Rusty 'n Edie's, etc, going on. Amateur Action got busted for mailing porn to some podunk area of Tennessee on postal charges initially. Rusty 'n Edie got punked on copyrights, first off by the SPA and Microsoft, but also by Playboy, yes Playboy, for posting their copyrighted material. Whodathunkit?

Putting aside whether they were guilty or not (Rusty 'n Edie's draw was piracy undeniably), the problem back in the day was the investigation.

Most BBS operations, even huge multinode systems, lived in the basement of people's homes. Hell, I still have the remnants of an old LANtastic based PCBoard system mothballed down in my skunkworks. If you were targeted for investigation, the FBI shows up, knocks on your door, comes in and confiscates ALL of your systems. You've not been proven guilty of anything at that point, but you're effectively shut down and out of business as it might be years before you see your hardware again and who knows what state it will all be in.

2257 is just the latest way to deter porn with fear. Very complex convoluted record keeping laws and if in the eyes of an investigator you are missing something, you can be branded for child porn. that accusation alone will end your life as you know it. Your neighbors will tuck their kids behind them when they see you out and try to drive you out of the neighborhood, no one will do business with you, your family and friends may not even look at you the same way ever again.

Cost of doing business?

10-08-2009	#1
Hell Puppy Fat Fucking Nobody Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 6,523	Re: Could 2257 finally get defeated? I've been a member of EFF since 1991. I'm a charter member of the USIIA, I helped get the thing going back when it was the Association of Online Professionals back at One BBSCON the year it was in St. Louis. And that's why I've been in and out, mostly out, of FSC. I know what a professionally run lobby or activist group should look like, and FSC for the most part hasn't been it. Some good folks there, some good work, but it lacks the effectiveness and transparency to make me throw significant donations at it. Speaking of EFF, it's odd how the fears change over time. Back in the early 90's you had things like Amateur Action, Rusty 'n Edie's, etc, going on. Amateur Action got busted for mailing porn to some podunk area of Tennessee on postal charges initially. Rusty 'n Edie got punked on copyrights, first off by the SPA and Microsoft, but also by Playboy, yes Playboy, for posting their copyrighted material. Whodathunkit? Putting aside whether they were guilty or not (Rusty 'n Edie's draw was piracy undeniably), the problem back in the day was the investigation. Most BBS operations, even huge multinode systems, lived in the basement of people's homes. Hell, I still have the remnants of an old LANtastic based PCBoard system mothballed down in my skunkworks. If you were targeted for investigation, the FBI shows up, knocks on your door, comes in and confiscates ALL of your systems. You've not been proven guilty of anything at that point, but you're effectively shut down and out of business as it might be years before you see your hardware again and who knows what state it will all be in. 2257 is just the latest way to deter porn with fear. Very complex convoluted record keeping laws and if in the eyes of an investigator you are missing something, you can be branded for child porn. that accusation alone will end your life as you know it. Your neighbors will tuck their kids behind them when they see you out and try to drive you out of the neighborhood, no one will do business with you, your family and friends may not even look at you the same way ever again. Cost of doing business?