[2MuchMark]

Agreed, although I'm not sure the term Trainwreck applies everywhere. I prefer to think "spiraled out of control". We used to use Probilling as a payment processor. I'm not sure what went wrong with them but one day they stopped accepting Visa and a week later, Mastercard was gone too and then suddenly no more checks. Their own forum was an ugly mess of name calling, unconfirmed theoires from users presented as facts, etc. Every ugly thing that could be said about them was said, and it became impossible to distringuish the truth from the non-truths (to me, anyway).

Then one day about 3 years later, Probilling called us up to confirm our address, and we received a check for almost $22,000 USD from them which was equal to about a week's worth of billing for us at the time. Somehow they stayed alive and paid out. Pretty cool.