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Originally Posted by JR
you completely don't understand why this place was popular. mike and serge and those who posted here made this place big because of a formula that worked. once it was fucked with, it all fell apart. it was not about helping newbs who will drop out in two months and taking the time to answer their mind numbingly stupid questions because they were too lazy to look them up... and answering the same stupid questions again and again and again from ignorant people who can barely dress themselves in the morning and will never make it anyway. it's attraction was very intelligent conversation on a wide variety of topics between many of the bigger and more successful people in the industry.
newbies were worth something in 97. they are worth zero today. this biz has a pretty high learning curve today. the overwhelming majority will never make the cut. they will never make a single dime. those that do make money, learn very fast that loyalty is only as strong as that days stats or that days check. they learn that the only person you trust ... is yourself. thats why advertisers dont want to advertise to newbs. they don't generate sales and they will not be loyal webmasters. that's why netpond with its huge, glorious and actually very informative site is completely broke.
some of you guys are soooo focused on how you think things should be... that you can't see how things are. but thats just a part of being naive and a dreamer.
so.... here you are. you have the place ALLLLL to yourself. and what? its dead. congrats genius. you are the top dog because you have been abondoned. for your information, it was many times more active before ignorant and naive people like Joeshoe decided to start running people with experience off and started embracing drive by spammers... and it was more active before bishop decided to carry things further... and the surfmasters took over.
there is nothing for me here. only gonzo and an occasional someone who wanders in wondering why its dead so i won't be posting here much. that will make you happy, i am sure. it will jsut be you and idiots like Rcourt64 and Rhetorical telling yourselves you matter while you represent 90% of board traffic and posts. you will be telling yourselves you are important, you are the new generation and blah blah blah... while you spin your wheels and work a second job.
anyway.... i wish gonzo all the best and he knows this. but the simple truth is that this is no longer a place for those who built it... what it was was destroyed looong ago.
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Has much mocking, teasing & stupid quetions I've done here, "alot of it done on purpose, I will admit".
It's the first time I've seen JR actually attempt to express his true thoughts about this place. "instead of just ragging like an old whiny bitch".
And I truly can see his point. I mean being in the industry has long as Jr & others have been, I would be feeling the same way, "tired of all these so called wannabe's one after the other" coming here. acting as if they got it all figured out, and stepping on grounds they haven't earned or deserve. & seeing this happen repeatly. I probably would have the same exact attidude as many of the pro's here. I can see it, (The newbie coming in asking stupid quetions, and to top it off, they come in with attidude also) If I saw this day after day, year after year, I also would be treating them like "never gonna make it type attitue".
I respect what you say JR, and understand where your coming from.
But again, try realizing it's a new internet out there dude. I mean, it's not the same system or technics used when all you pro's ruled. It's become a world where everyone & there grandma now days are accessing the web, and building sites & promoting sponcers has become has standard as knowing how to just check an email. Today with all the free internet tools available online, anyone can build & promote a site. It's not like it was back when all you guys busted your asses with old fashion microsoft tools that only a professional webmaster (with tranning) could run. Go look around JR, check out Myspace & xpeeps and other sites, its full of amateur page builders that can build some really cool & awesome shit. Ya 95% of them will end up nowhere. Having no clue what to do next. but theres still a percentage that will come thru.
I feel your just stereo typing people in general, "which being in your shoes & seeing all you've seen" I can understand your point.
But look at Jace for example: He in no way is a rookie, I see his work & his attempt to promote his lady. "The Man busts his ass" but there again he gets knocked at, about what a whore he and his wife are. Thats not right dude.
If anything, Jace probably has worked harder than any of the pro's here, cause it wasn't such a saturated market back when you pro's ran the show.
You guys call yourselfs the pro's, ya, but it was a market where you had little competitive compitition. As hard has it was for ya'll to get where you are now. To a certain point it was easier than it is now.
I'm not saying you made it the easy way JR, no. It's just that the rolls have turned a bit since the pro's have ruled. It's kinda backwords the way it works now. Back then building & creating was difficult, and where marketing was probably easier due to the market not being so saturated with porn.
Now days it's just the opposite, Building has become really easy, and marketing is the bitchy part due to ALL THE PORN online now.
I'm not looking to argue with you, JR or anyone here. You guys want only people who have proven themselfs to be able to mingle with you guys. thats cool. I see your point. But again man, things have changed, and calling people whores, stupid, & losers is not the proper way to go about it.