[PornoDoggy]

You know, the funny thing about this entire discussion is that is it profoundly American. The same conversation could have taken place in the 1840s - although obviously in a different forum. I suspect that a lot of the people harumphing the illegals today came from illegals - the main difference being, those illegals happen to be German, Irish, Italian, Polish, or from any of a dozen Slavik countries.

It's probably only been 50 years or so since Southern and Eastern Europeans were considered White, fer cryin' out loud. The first bitter controversies over bilingual education raged in cities like St. Louis and Milwaukee - a hundred years ago. The same thing raged over Spanish in the west at the same time, and into the 30s.

There have always been folks afraid of immigrants in America, at least since the 1830s. Some are just sad people scared of anything that ain't just like them. Some of them just have to have somebody to hate or be afraid of to make them feel better about their own sad, pathetic lives. Odd thing is, the fucking country seems to have survived the invasion du jour that was going to destroy our civilization.

When I was a kid I used to go to a candy store that sold local (St. Louis) weekly newspapers in Italian, German, and Polish. It was a city neighborhood - so, of course, the younger residents (my Dad's generation) bolted to a the safe, bland, boring 'burbs. The place got pretty bad for a long while, but it's made a comeback with a vengence in the last ten years.

Of course, some asswipes might get their tender sensibilities offended if they went there. Some of the signs in the stores aroudn there are in three or four languages. You can occasionally have to wait for a shopkeeper to get a younger relative who speaks English in addition to Arabic, Vietnamese, Thai, Spanish, or Croation.

The descendents of the fucking wops, the dirty kikes, the polacks, and the huns sit in the bars and coffee houses up there and bitch about the foreigners taking over their neighborhood, too.