[PornoDoggy]

Sigh.

For all the accusations you make about others being stuck in the Vietnam era, your rhetoric could have come straight from the mouth of Nixon. Those are not new threads, Mike - Bush, Rice, and Rummy are naked as jaybirds.

I was "on the bandwagon" until it became obvious that the President, the National Security Adviser, and the Secretary of Defense were pursuing a strategy that could not win the peace. (There was never any question about winning the war.)

I am not an advocate of withdrawal - but what we are doing now is not working. What worries me is that the next President will adopt a Nixon/Kissinger approach to the war - declare victory, withdraw, and hope that things don't collapse so fast as to reveal the clusterfuck we've created so blatantly as to make it obvious even to the voluntarily blind like you.