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Originally Posted by JoesHO
My point excatly Sar.
all newbies are not all bad. in fact I have been banned here twice, and told I would fail on many many occassions.
some people do not have the tenacity to stay and I feel/ have felt for a long time that it should cange and a place for them is what the industry needs.
I now have a say in that place and can choose to make it so.
( kinda like a congressman that says the other side sucks, but once he gets in office fails to do what his principles were that made him want to go in the first place) I will not bow to what was, or what has been. I think new days are what will be successful in the future. I believe that new people and new products will take us there . If I am wrong then time will tell. ( I was not wrong about a lot so far, but I have been wrong about a lot so far too)
420 calendar for example LOL ( in the end I made some money from it though, but probably cost myself some opportunity in the begining while fighting to defend it ) was that a wise battle ? not sure .
I have always respected you and thought your insight was very intelectual. ( i think you know that, and I have commented on such on many occassions)
I would put Pornodoggy in that category too.
he difference in the two of you ( that are from this old guard of wich I speak)
You do not come here and try to piss on what is happening, or the changes that will or will not be made, you just come and do your thing.
what I am not interested in is the people that come and try to act like they are the king of the hill or they have advice, but yet all they have is negative bullshit to spew.
I have used the bar reference many times. and sometimes it is best to throw everyone out and l;et it all start over . the few regulars that want to come back will, the ones that do not like the changes will not .
But in the end the place will have a new identity and be for new people.
ld people can either embrace it and enjoy it, or they can move on and look for that place they miss.
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Well, you know, that's all very nice. But when I read the way you state it, it sounds very much like I am being invited to leave. In fact the last time I left it unanswered but it was directly from you, to me, in response to me.
You want people gone, tell them to leave, they will. I guarantee it. It has happened here before.
And the way you are stating your opinion, if you read it in context, is asking folks to leave.
I have no illusions that Oprano needs me to survive or thrive. It will eventually do that on it's own to a certain extent.
I like Oprano, I enjoy many of the people who post here. I do some business here.
But believe me, I do not NEED Oprano.
So, you want us gone, keep asking us to leave.