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Originally Posted by Jeremy
Yeah! Get your retaliation in first! That's the way to do it.
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not what i was saying at all. if you use the argument that torture will result in retaliation, then you have to assume that the other side see's value in using torture as a means of cohersion. if thats true then the whole argument falls apart.
i personally dont believe that Iran would capture 100 soldiers or pilots after an attack on their nuclear facilities and not do everything possible to extract every bit of info they could for them and seriously doubt that the health and wellbeing of those captives would be their first concern.
intelligence relies very heavily on torture to extract info quickly when the situation requires. do you think 10 guys who tried to blow up an embassy and killed 300 people are just going to sit down and give up the details of their organization without any form of cohersion? what if more attacks are imminent? are you supposed to ask people who hate you more than anything in this world and want to kill as many of your people as possible nicely to give you some help?
torture is not something thats done for sadistic fun. its a method from extracting info. the more pressure they can put on someone, the more info they get and the more accurate it tends to be.
i dont think people should be getting their dicks cut off an served to them on a bed of rice for breakfast just to see if they know something... but i think that smacking people around, playing mind games, breaking them down by depriving them of food, sleep, isolation etc is fine.
you can't apply all the rules of compassion and humanity to people who are 100% pure evil.