Interesting thread...I didn't read it til now cause I fucking hate programming and programmers!!!
Seriously , the biggest bunch of primadonnas in this business , they think they are soooooo fucking smart and they all tend to be smug bastards!!!!! Take my brother technick for example...total smug bastard!!! ...and sarettah ...same.
(((( ahhhh thats better , still on the no smoking , and needed to let off steam)))
Actually , in fact , I am lucky to have technick.
For example , go to a programmer and say:
"""" here is what I need

(( Insert plan so cunning you could nail a tail on it and call it a fox))"""
Most will either nick the idea and run with it , or bleat they can't get it done for 2 weeks (ie fucking never) or they will suddenly find it morally reprehensible (like I was asking them to experiment on a fetus)
Having a programmer for a brother I think has always given me an edge.
And being sober means when he says "Look at what this can do to that , does it have a pecuniary worth"- Its how he talks- he gets a sensible answer now instead of a vicious giggling taunting