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Opti · 12-07-2004

Thanks Joe! I also got the number and havent forgotten btw.

I haven't booked FatBaby.... but for some reason cant bring myself to say "no I wont go to Vegas" yet..

@ Dravyk

Whilst people might still read a little more.. Just thought of another thing worth mentioning about LinkLists that might help Oprano understanding, or any program owners thinking "but TGPers as a group look huge in my stats and I can hardly pick out the freesite people".

The main reason LinkList/Freesite webmasters can slip under the radar is that they generally spread their traffic over many more affiliate programs than the average TGPer would each month.

In November welovefreeporn.com saw about 700k unique visitors which converted to about 300k clicks sent to my own sponsors and around 3.5 million clicks sent to the Freesites listed. LinkList clicks sent to freesites have 10-20% CTR to the advertised paysite. Which roughly equates to welovefreeporn.com having delivered around 1 Million clicks for adult affiliate program paysites last month. (if anyone could post a comparison site from TGP world might be interesting)

Those numbers probably sounds OK for 1 site... but the 300k clicks to my own sponsors were spread over 150+ different affiliate programs and generated sales on about 50 of them.. Only a handful of sponsors received more than 1000 clicks per day and the largest single earner made less than 100 joins... So it's doubtful many sponsors even noticed I sent from there at all.

In some cases, traffic from TGP sources might also be more noticeable to affiliate program owners as the click numbers from each TGP gallery comes in a burst, making new galleries show high in the stats everyday. Where every URL a Freesite builder is sending traffic from will almost always be near the bottom of the daily stats, but continuously be there everyday.

Also there is a lot more spin-off money around TGPs.. Hosting Companies, Traffic Brokers, Script Makers, Content Companies, Service companies like submit services and gallery template builders.. This sideline activity creates hype and draws in a wider variety of people to market at the sector and re-inforce the "everyone is making a fortune" impression from different angles.

I'm not saying freesite traffic is preferable.. TGP is still much higher volume traffic and has been much better comercialized than the Freesite area. As an affiliate program owner I would likely take all the hits in one day as opposed to waiting a year for them most times too..

Just trying to bring up some logical reasons that will make sense to an affiliate program owner as to why they may have over-looked the LinkList market segment, which I believe is samller, but probably a little closer to TGP in terms of total $$$ generated than many assume.

** There is some business point to this btw.

1. Oprano affiliate program owners have been missing out on a slice of this pie for about 12 months.
2. What needs to be done to take advantage is very easy if you understand what to do.. basically provide Hosted Freesites for LinkLists and downloadable templates for freesite builders.
3. If you don't know what to do... for 3k I can consult/oversee/advise your people for 30 days as you get set up lauch it. (based on following my suggested plan, which will take about 30 hours of my time over the month)

Also.. is there anyone else who reads Oprano now with experience and a genuine interest in freesites/linklists..... and that thinks I may not be aware you are in the market? (ICQ 2556404 or PM if you don't want to post) In fact, even if you think I do know you, please shoot me a message. Would like to get an idea what we have to work with at moment knowledge and contacts wise.

PS. If there was a LinkList/Freesite specific forum here... would anyone else look at it right now today?

12-07-2004	#12
Opti Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,205	Thanks Joe! I also got the number and havent forgotten btw. I haven't booked FatBaby.... but for some reason cant bring myself to say "no I wont go to Vegas" yet.. @ Dravyk Whilst people might still read a little more.. Just thought of another thing worth mentioning about LinkLists that might help Oprano understanding, or any program owners thinking "but TGPers as a group look huge in my stats and I can hardly pick out the freesite people". The main reason LinkList/Freesite webmasters can slip under the radar is that they generally spread their traffic over many more affiliate programs than the average TGPer would each month. In November welovefreeporn.com saw about 700k unique visitors which converted to about 300k clicks sent to my own sponsors and around 3.5 million clicks sent to the Freesites listed. LinkList clicks sent to freesites have 10-20% CTR to the advertised paysite. Which roughly equates to welovefreeporn.com having delivered around 1 Million clicks for adult affiliate program paysites last month. (if anyone could post a comparison site from TGP world might be interesting) Those numbers probably sounds OK for 1 site... but the 300k clicks to my own sponsors were spread over 150+ different affiliate programs and generated sales on about 50 of them.. Only a handful of sponsors received more than 1000 clicks per day and the largest single earner made less than 100 joins... So it's doubtful many sponsors even noticed I sent from there at all. In some cases, traffic from TGP sources might also be more noticeable to affiliate program owners as the click numbers from each TGP gallery comes in a burst, making new galleries show high in the stats everyday. Where every URL a Freesite builder is sending traffic from will almost always be near the bottom of the daily stats, but continuously be there everyday. Also there is a lot more spin-off money around TGPs.. Hosting Companies, Traffic Brokers, Script Makers, Content Companies, Service companies like submit services and gallery template builders.. This sideline activity creates hype and draws in a wider variety of people to market at the sector and re-inforce the "everyone is making a fortune" impression from different angles. I'm not saying freesite traffic is preferable.. TGP is still much higher volume traffic and has been much better comercialized than the Freesite area. As an affiliate program owner I would likely take all the hits in one day as opposed to waiting a year for them most times too.. Just trying to bring up some logical reasons that will make sense to an affiliate program owner as to why they may have over-looked the LinkList market segment, which I believe is samller, but probably a little closer to TGP in terms of total $$$ generated than many assume. ** There is some business point to this btw. 1. Oprano affiliate program owners have been missing out on a slice of this pie for about 12 months. 2. What needs to be done to take advantage is very easy if you understand what to do.. basically provide Hosted Freesites for LinkLists and downloadable templates for freesite builders. 3. If you don't know what to do... for 3k I can consult/oversee/advise your people for 30 days as you get set up lauch it. (based on following my suggested plan, which will take about 30 hours of my time over the month) Also.. is there anyone else who reads Oprano now with experience and a genuine interest in freesites/linklists..... and that thinks I may not be aware you are in the market? (ICQ 2556404 or PM if you don't want to post) In fact, even if you think I do know you, please shoot me a message. Would like to get an idea what we have to work with at moment knowledge and contacts wise. PS. If there was a LinkList/Freesite specific forum here... would anyone else look at it right now today?