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Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Aug 13 2004, 01:25 AM
Damn girl, are we even reading the same messages?
It's like we aren't even speaking the same language here all of the sudden. Now if you just wanna trade insults and call each other a dumb ass, that can be fun sometimes, but I kinda prefer to talk biz.
Try to see this from both sides. That's the point I was trying to make. Telling a TGP webmaster not to skim sounds just as crazy to him or her as him telling you that you need to switch to some insane payout scheme.
Outside of the true monster-sized sites like The Hun, the typical TGP gets 50-70% of it's visitors from trades originating off the skim. How can that be you ask? Here's the secret, on a good TGP, english speaking traffic that hasn't been jerked around will typically click a number of galleries. The TGP lets them have the gallery the majority of the time, but a certain percentage of the time they're gonna get bumped over to a trade. The trades themselves work like an oldschool toplist, the more you can send out, the more the site you're trading with sends back. Everyone grows.
There's a lot more factors than that at work to make it successful and make a buck off of it at the same time. But this is essentially why the removing the skim cant be on the table when you talk about improving the TGP game. You'd have to have an idea that makes up for a TON of traffic.
That doesn't make 'em "inflexible", there are other thing that CAN be brought to the table. There are needs in the TGP community. The TGP webmasters have a hell of a battle right now with the cat and mouse game currently being played by fuckers with toolbars, etc. There's an opportunity to establish networks of trust and business while tapping that traffic.
And for the sponsors, if you actually read my messages, remember my caveat. It's all sql and dynamic and it's VERY powerful with a geek at the helm. On my TGPs the thumbs that are MOST likely to get clicked are going to pull up a gallery everytime....or take you directly to a tour in some cases. And in each case it's my sponsors if not my own paysites.
There's opportunities to work together. But so far on Oprano there's a pattern of wanting to change the TGP world rather than work with it.
Or we can just go ahead and insult each other. I've got some great PMS references and mama jokes. 
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First off, I don't make the decisions on how content is used for either WEG or Purecash. I'm guessing you know the answer already for Purecash (and are just TRYING to be an asshole
) and if you want me to do it for you, I'll ask Jason tomorrow about WEG. I would ASSume it would be 100% fine with him.
You're acting as if this an assault on the TGPs who skim. You couldn't be more wrong. We all know they skim. We know they've skimmed and we know they will continue to skim. No one, at least not me, is trying to tell them to run their business any differently. I submit galleries to TGPs and I'm betting every single one of them skims. But if I was submitting my picture (there's a scary thought), and hits were being sent to site that did something I was against - autodownloading, Beasty, CP - , I'd be telling the TGP to take my gallery down.
*I* just have a problem with a TGP telling a program owner that they need to accept it and deal with it. No, they don't. They can submit to TGPs that don't send traffic to an autodownloader. They can submit to other TGPs that don't skim. They can stop submitting to TGPs. They can close up shop.
I wonder what would have happened if some of YOUR content was being sent to a site that autodownloaded Hooper's tool bar and Hooper was making $$$$ with 50% of the clicks to your content.
Now I'm going to sit here and be pissed that the wind and lightning seem to be dying down and I can't leave my window open because of the stupid assed people on the street blowing their damn horns! Times like this I miss my log cabin in the solitude (where WeatherBug says it's 62 degrees - but damn 88% humidity??!
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