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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Aug 3 2004, 12:51 PM
Mike, I was only addressing your posts related to the "war" on terror and the delusional idea that the Iraqi invasion had anything to do with it.
You are probably right ... his heart may very well be in the right place. Unfortunately, his head is up his ass, and some of the people around him (Cheney, Wolfowitz, et al.) are every bit as driven by an ideology or philosophy as the mythical Marxists that Torone would tell you dominate the Democratic party (to which, I am sure, you would nod approvingly).
I do not believe he will do the "right" thing. I believe that he will continue to regard the war on terror as primarilly a military matter. I believe that he will continue to approach the war on terror in as a military confrontation between the U.S. and other nations - when in fact the enemy that threatens us is stateless, and the constant confrontation with a series of states only strengthens the hand of the enemy.
You continue to rail on "the left" for making the same sort of (often) unsupported allegations that you attempt to pass off as fact becasue the come from "the right." The level of criticism of GWB by "the left" is not even close to the vitriol spewed forth by the right about WJC.
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PD you have valid points. I would like to know exactly what the neo-cons did, what they pushed for to see how it influenced events.
As far as Non-State Actors - we have always had to deal with these type of groups. Since the Greek days. The only real way for a Nation-State to influence them is by holding other Nation-States responsible for supporting them. Providing trainging, money, refuge, supplies, etc....
I know you understand war is a messy thing, especially un-conventional wars against groups like this. Many Liberals think we can just have a special police force or "crack military team" ( This is a Moore quote from O'Reilly on how he would have handled Bin Laden) take these peopl out, but the reality is NOT like the movies ( this is no Tom Clancy novel). You cannot send a small group into a foreign country without permission or support - or else it is like declairing war.
Nations are not good at surgical attacks on groups like this, it is more of a large blunt hammer. This is ONE area in which the US needs to improve - it starts with human intel, and having a intelligene servie that has authorization to deal with, and kill the bad guys if need be.
Until this happens - even at the best it will take 5-10 years - the US has to deal with the enemy however we can.
I stand by this fact - Bush sucks, but Kerry would probably suck more. I would rather deal with the asshole I know, rather then the asshoel I don't.