[PornoDoggy]

I have not changed the question I posed one bit. I have asked you to point to an example in modern times where a war like Iraq has been successful.

I think you are dead wrong when you assert that Iraq is something new. The war on terror - a "war" with an essentially stateless enemy - might be considered new.

The tactics and policies being pursued in Iraq are in no way new. The are tactics and policies that have failed repeatedly throughout the 20th century, regardless of the "backbone" of the government that pursued them.

You persist in responding to me as if the only thing I took away from Vietnam was an emotional horror at the ugliness of war. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that, while I don't take the idea of war lightly, I understand that it will be necessary from time to time. The draftees that died in the European and Asian theatrers of WWII were no more valiant or heroic than the ones who died at Pusan or Hue. They just had a much clearer objective that they were fighting for.

The FIRST lesson (before you get to tactics, manpower requirements, etc.) that should have been learned from Vietnam, it was "don't lie to the American people about a war." It not only makes fighting the war in question more difficult - it could encumber future situations when conflict really is in the best interests of the United States.