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Old 09-28-2003   #40
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Shana Tova to you too man
I enjoy debating with you too.

However, I did not like your latest attack on me, as if I automatically attack palestinians no matter what the discussion is. It depicts me as something far from what I am.

I for one state what I think and believe in.
I do not (unless I slip) use stereotypes or attack large group of people based on sheer hatered, racism or pure shallowness (like you hinted). I use logic and state my case clearly (or so I hope).

My "attack" (which was not even attack) was against a person which is by all definitions I care about (and so does the US administrations [past and present] and many European and other counties [even if they don't admit it publically]) - a terrorist, and heads a terrorist network.
Your definition of him as a "palestinian authority" does great harm even to palestinians (imho).

For all intents and purposes, I could use your logic to state that Saddam is the Iraqi people and Bin-Laden is the Afghan, Yemeni and Saudi people.

Funny enough - I could also say that Bush is the american people - and therefore by attacking or criticizing him you criticize yourself - which is very dumb to say that you are dumb and don't know shit.

Maybe you can see the validity of seperating a leadership from general population in some cases. Especially when the "leadership" is far from leading.

Summing it all up - please give me a bot more credit in the future and pay a bit more attention to what I say. I am sure our debates would be much more fruitful that way.

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On a different note...
I want to state what I predict about the "reconstruction" of Iraq and Afghanistan.
The main problem about this process is the "materials" which the reconstruction depends on. Being more specific and clear - the human material.
I think it will take dozens of years rebuilding Iraq and same for Afghanistan.
I do not think more money will help much in cutting it down from 50 years to 10 (or from 10 to 1) - as if its a question of just buying more stuff.
The only chance there is for a new and "better" countries, meaning - free, more liberal, just, non fundementalist, peace seeking, educated countries lies in education and the only thing that goes on in Iraq, Afghanistan and several other countries, is education in the "other direction" - negative one (to my perception).

Which leads us to the question - does the US have rights educating and shaping the minds of other people? or does it only hold the obligation to protect thier people with brutal force once some of those people (shaped in the opposite direction) become a threat?

Alternatively one would say that there is nothing wrong with the way those individuals are shaped and that Jihad is a legitimate funky thing To which concept I will not care responding.
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