Why anyone pays any attention at all to what Gary Kremen says is beyond me........ He lost the domain and it would have stayed lost if certain people had not helped him out. He then took a "producing" domain and turned it into something that is (imho) slowly going downhill....
I do not agree at all with Cohen stealing the domain...that was wrong.. BUT at least Cohen had a clue about what to do with it... Kremen has taken the single most valuable piece of Adult Internet real estate and has managed to take it down in value quite considerably....
He might "seemingly" have high, lofty moral values, but he don't know shit about business.....
I have had several arguments with Confucy (over at Digs place) about Kremen...
I usually won't crosspost (anymore), but gonna break that for a minute here (hope you dont mind Mike and Serge)
from:
http://www.setgo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=540
quote:
from confucy (directed at me):
"Gary is an example for all of us because he didn't give up and let assholes like you take over his sex.com."
my reply:
"Gary is no example.. Back before the lawsuits, he had pretty much given up. If some of your arch-nemeses had not given him a good kick in the ass to get him started he would still be whining about how he had sex.com stolen from him. "
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http://www.lukeford.com/stars/male/stephen_cohen.htm
History Of How Cohen Lost The Domain
Cohen made only ONE mistake. In 1997 he went after 3 sex related domains: SexQ.com (Dokk's), HotSex.com (Mike & guys from Boston) Sexia.com (Serge's).
First one didn't matter, Dokk called FBI, he thought he had something going, FBI told him: suck our dicks and that was the end of Dokk's struggle.
Guy from Hotsex.com called his lawyers and mounted strong opposition against Cohen. Incidently, HE discovered KREMEN, pennyless wonder, claiming to be the original owner of sex.com, but having difficulties paying his San Francisco female attorney. HotSex.com told Serge about Kremen.
Serge, who was blasting Cohen on YNOT board and who was sued by Cohen for sexia.com made 2 decissions:
1) give Cohen sexia.com without fight
2) get TOP go-getters with proven track records after Cohen.
Yishai claims 'till this day that he didn't understand Serge' heavy russian accent when Serge told him that Yishai can own sex.com 'cuz Serge knew the REAL owner.
Seth Warshawsky and Ron Levi DID understood Serge's English. Serge was offered part of sex.com in exchange for financing of law suit, but Serge said: GET THIS DOMAIN AWAY FROM COHEN, THIS WILL BE MY ULTIMATE SATISFACTION.
And this is how Cohen, the "napoleon" who burnt Moscow and lost the war (per serge's posts on YNOT) lost his prized sex.com.
If he was smart and didn't touch hotsex.com and Serge in 1997, none of you would know about existence of Mr. Kremen.
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It was a long and bitter struggle for Kremen who went through a string of lawyers until guided to victory by Charles Carreon.
In 1998, Seth Warshavsky (ClubLove.com) and Ron Levi (Cybererotica.com) agreed to help fund Kremen's legal fight to regain the domain name Sex.com. But Warshavsky quickly dropped out of the deal. Levi kept paying to the eventual tune of either $10,000 or $150,000, depending on who you talk to, until he quit in disgust with Kremen's attorney of the time Joel Dichter.
Kremen next gave the case to a female attorney (Katie Deamer) who seemed intimidated by Cohen's crack legal team. She also appeared to be killing Kremen's case, which looked dead until Gary brought on Carreon.
edited to extract key paragraphs from an accidental paste of the whole fucking article...
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Last edited by sarettah at Sep 12 2003, 09:31 AM