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Originally posted by undermyspell@Jun 28 2003, 10:40 PM
You know I was going to just drop this whole thing as I don't feel the need to lower myself to your level. The sad thing is that you never took the time to get to know me. If you had you would discover that i'm not some board bimbo. Yes, that's part of the job. Keeping the name in the "news" so to speak. But there is so much more to it than that. If you had taken the time to get to know me you would have found out that I have a Masters degree in Accounting with a Minor in small business adminstration. I took an excellerated program in college to do this and finished out both programs in 5 years.

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well 'undermyspell' if there was ever any doubt in my mind that you were an idiot, that's well and truly gone now!!

I could care less how many college degrees you hold or how intelligent you are. This is an adult webmaster chat board and you came here with blatant bullshit fed to you by a program owner who is stuck in 1996. Webmasters got smarter a couple of years ago, bullshitting them with numbers like those you gave just doesn't work - and the most important thing, you don't HAVE to ... we were all sitting here saying 'wow your sites are awesome' and asking you serious questions and you blew it by not knowing ANYTHING about the product you were sent to promote.

I dare you to attack my integrity again because I have never been anything but aboveboard about my program. I have the stats from a week ago sitting in front of me so I know how my sites convert.

You dare me? Well ... in that case ...
You may have stats sitting in front of you - but they aren't real. Sorry love, but you are being bullshitted too - period. It may be ok to bullshit newbies on the other boards you frequent, but as your boss has informed you, most of the webmasters around here have been running successful programs for many years. You may be converting 1/50 and have a 60% or 5 month average retention (ahem) - but you should try counting every hit instead of just every 10th one, and you have to count those who cancel out of trial in your calculation of retention. Hell, I can make my numbers sound like yours too if I only share half the information!

Did you ever stop to think that the reason yours do not is because of the specialized niche. If they were marketed properly I see the potential for them to be huge but i've done some checking around with various webmasters that have never even heard of it. It's a good idea but I guess you just don't have the right marketing person on it to get the name out.

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yeah that's right genius, marketing is the problem :rollingeyes:
OH MY GOD THERE ARE WEBMASTERS WHO HAVEN'T HEARD OF IT?!?!??! damn, I must be doing something wrong. :rollingeyes:

Actually (and you should write this down), niches usually have a higher success of retention due to the unique content - my women's sites have average 10-20% higher retention than other sites & programs I've run for the entire 5 years I've run them. Unfortunately, credit card processing changes have caused those numbers to drop - not the standard of the sites.

The program has been closed to new webmasters since March - it will open again eventually when I have the time to take care of it. I have run my womens projects for 5 years, they have always provided me with pocket money and enough funds to support my other business ventures - i've been happy for them to stay the size that they are up until recently. They have gone through periods of being extremely successful, and periods of being total failures, usually in tune with the ups and downs in my own life.

I have many other sites, programs and business that keeps me going, & i'm pretty satisfied with what I've achieved ... but thanks for the advice about getting a decent marketing person. Are you available for hire?!

As far as being a pretty little board whore. I'll thank you for the pretty part but board whore I am not. The funny thing of it is if you check any of the boards that I post on I do not have a very high post count even though I have been a member of some of those boards for quite some time. I post when I have something to say. No more...No less.

Sweetie, if you post on a board to promote something, you are a boardwhore. I am a boardwhore, you are a boardwhore, serge is a boardwhore ... if you are offended by that, you don't have a long future in this biz. Wait till the gfy boys start calling you an ugly dumb skanky ho ... no, i'm not calling you that, but using this as an example to show that you need a thick skin to do the job you are doing. We work in porn ... 'boardwhore' is a word I use in official business proposals I give my clients & they love it - its a genuine marketing term for an online promotions person who posts on boards. Wear the title with pride - if you are lucky, you might even get a tshirt!

I originally came to this board at the suggestion of a friend of mine that knows both Serge and his wife. He said that they were both stand up people.

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LL is a stand up Gal, but serge ... Ask him, he'll tell you himself
I am only half kidding - but its no secret how much I love them both. Your friend was right in recommending you visit oprano.

That's the kind of boards that I prefer to deal with. I like to look for fresh ideas and sometimes even contribute.

5 webmasters from this board will bring you more traffic than all the other boards you visit added together. But hey, each to their own ...

If you remember correctly I never touted my program at all. I was asked about what I do. I simply replied to it and that is when the ass chewing began. You can believe the numbers I posted or not. I have access to the numbers to look at them and I know what i'm talking about.

You only came by to chat? You weren't here to promote your program?

Obviously you and the truth haven't been introduced yet ... You seem to think we are all stupid. I'd love to chat with you more, i think you have an awesome program - and I do think the sites would convert really well, they are unique, original, designs are hot, content is unique ... so far though, I get the impression that you don't understand the information you are giving us.

But hey, i've been wrong before! I'd love to hear how you achieve the numbers you claim ... maybe you can teach US something!

Or alternatively, you could take this shovel I'm handing you, and keep digging!