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Originally posted by Peaches@Mar 28 2003, 05:54 AM
While I didn't necessary like MM, I at least respected him for saying what he thought. He's become nothing more than a pure entertainer now and that respect is gone

This is exactly how I feel about Michael Moore too Peaches!

I used to love the stuff he did in the "The Awful Truth" and "TV Nation". I have been on his fan e-mail list for years... He was REALLY witty and almost an anti-entertainer! When his book Stupid White Men did so well in early 2002 I noticed his emails changed to be totally self promotional.. prior to that his emails were always about some ultra liberal campaign for any underdog cause sort of thing... Usually encouraging people to send a form letter to some Governor appealing for death sentence clemency and stuff like that.. never self promotional. Since about November 2001 I don't think I have seen one e-mail promoting anything but himself.. he's a boring media whore now... his Oscar ceremony speech was just another publicity motivated stunt as is his "passionate" anti war stance I reckon.

you should check out his website... actually don't, he claims that he gets 20 million hits a day it will probably be slow.. so I'll give you a couple of highlights...

Nowadays he seems to invoke the "name of lord" as being on his side almost as strongly as GWB..

I'd Like to Thank the Vatican...

By Michael Moore
March 27, 2003

A word of advice to future Oscar winners: Don't begin Oscar day by going to church.

That is where I found myself this past Sunday morning, at the Church of the Good Shepherd on Santa Monica Boulevard, at Mass with my sister and my dad. My problem with the Catholic Mass is that sometimes I find my mind wandering after I hear something the priest says, and I start thinking all these crazy thoughts like how it is wrong to kill people and that you are not allowed to use violence upon another human being unless it is in true self-defense.

The pope even came right out and said it: This war in Iraq is not a just war and, thus, it is a sin.


This is his main menu items today....

See Mike's Backstage Press Conference at the Oscars
Moore explains Oscar speech
Michael Moore Stars at Academy Awards

He reminds me of how I felt in about 1979 when I realised Kiss weren't just in it for the love of the music

Originally posted by Vick@Mar 27 2003, 01:38 PM
What concerns me is that Michael Moore's material is presented as documentary and a lot of gullible people (particularly the 18-30 crowd here in the states) take it as a documentary and form opinions on the material and then act on those opinions based on information that has been incorrectly presented or represented - hence we have harmful, misguided action from Moore's profiteering

Not only is it presented as documentary, he clearly claims his work as "non-fiction" and a film "documentary" on his website.


Millions of Americans seem to agree. My book "Stupid White Men" still sits at No. 1 on the bestseller list (it's been on that list now for 53 weeks and is the largest-selling nonfiction book of the year). "Bowling for Columbine" has broken all box-office records for a documentary. My Web site is now getting up to 20 million hits a day (more than the White House's site). My opinions about the state of the nation are neither unknown nor on the fringe, but rather they exist with mainstream majority opinion. The majority of Americans, according to polls, want stronger environmental laws, support Roe vs. Wade and did not want to go into this war without the backing of the United Nations and all of our allies.

That is where the country is at. It's liberal, it's for peace and it is only tacitly in support of its leader because that is what you are supposed to do when you are at war and you want your kids to come back from Iraq alive.


I agree fully that if his movie uses fictional setup scenes then Moore should be drawn and quartered and maybe charged with espionage or whatever you do to people that knowingly try and hurt the country for profit!

But seriously... can you accept those allegations could possibly be true? For a start the author appears to be clutching at straws if the first thing he has to say is some lame point about the killers not attending their bowling class. If the story about the gun giveaway is so far from reality why isn't the bank suing/exposing the fraud? he can't call it non-fiction and documentary and then just make up fictional shit can he? or maybe i am being really naive... :P I haven't seen it... but seriously who cares if some redneck community bank gives away guns to attract business... I saw that bit on the TV ads and it really was a funny scene! I don't believe anyone thinks all 250 million Americans are like that... wouldn't be worth making a "documentary" about if it was so normal! (Although BigS, Hooper, GWB, J.R. Ewing and almost everyone else I've ever run across from Texas do make me worry about what the truth really is) :P

Also, back on the thread topic by Todd... It was good to hear an American praise Clinton... I was wondering who it was that supported him through those 8 years! My memories of Clinton was that he held remarkably high opinion poll ratings even through the worst of his "incidents" ... From a foreigners point of view The Clinton years appeared good for America economically.. and in contrast to "Bush the father" and "Bush the son" that book ended him, Clinton developed amazingly good relations with Moscow, Europe and most of Asia... and all with what appeared a weighty economic bias advantage to the USA... he seemed to drive international policy from the inside and used that to ensure American business profited.. I honestly don't know if Clinton was good or bad for America.. I have been starting to think it is just foreigners that liked him from opinions posted around here ;-))

Clinton "promised" Australia the earth and gave us very little apart from more tariffs on our steel and agriculture exports to the US. Bush has already given a lot of this back to Australia.. and I don't doubt there is a lot more "payback" to come.. but I don't think this is all good news for us.. If he has so easily paid off a close ally it makes me wonder how much he has had to sell out to get some of the less friendly 45 coalition nations on board... or maybe he is just a nice guy who wants to help out the 20 million friendly folk down under because they stood up and supported him so fast.... Either way it's a worry imho.