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Originally posted by RawAlex@Mar 14 2003, 10:34 AM
JR, the thing is, you present something that isn't an either / or choice. There are many ways to lower the infant death rate that don't involve war. It is the same sort of logic I have seen you apply before - if you are against my view, then you are obvious for "this outrageous thing". No, I suspect most of these people (probably all) are appalled by the number of children dying in ALL SORTS OF PLACES... including Iraq.
By your logic, war=save the kids
You do that by killing their parents? Destroying their homes? Eliminating the infrastructre of a country? I suspect without clean water and a way to get food to the people of the cities, that the infant death rate will go higher before it goes lower.
If torture and killing of your own countrymen was the only reason needed to go to war, the US would have a full time force wandering around Africa diposing dictators and tribal leaders left and right. What's the infant mortality rate there?
Sorry, your attempt to mock those who don't share your views by using non-related "facts" is the problem, that is why you are "missing something" - too much non-related information leads to misunderstanding.
Alex
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Alex, dont be a sissy.
It IS a choice. its exactly that. a choice.
THE PROBLEM IS ONE MAN AND HIS GOVERNMENT. THE PROBLEMS IN IRAQ ARE BECAUSE OF HIM. IT IS EXACTLY AN "EITHER/OR CHOICE" as you put it. What do you propose as an alternative to modify the behavior of Saddam Hussein and his regime? sanctions? more sanctions? sending him flowers and wine? maybe he will have a change of heart with a new Chucky Cheese or McDonalds Playland in Bagdad?
These bozos in Hollywood do not give a shit about who is being tortured, crucified, mamed, bombed, shot, hacked apart or about any other attrocity happening anywhere, anytime. They are against war. Really? why?
To those in Hollywood that would ask "why Iraq, why now?"
i could also aske them "why do you care? why now?"
any reason they can cite for concern, i can show those exact concerns exist simultaneously, anytime in numerous places in the world as well as Iraq today... they are just not popular to speak about and its not good press. Few would care about Sean Penns opinion on the Ivory Coast... but take a stand on Iraq and you are defying a Republican administration and the President of the United States on all of these moral grounds which seem to be less important when it is just 2,000,000 Rowandans being butchered with machetes.
why do celebs speak out about war and about Iraq? simple. because their is a brief window of opportunity to put their face out there on a heated issue and get press. Its a brief window of opportunity for someone who spends there entire life pretending to be something they are not.. to become relevent.
i did not say that "war saves kids." I said that kids are dying all day everyday and that is not an issue with Hollywood. If a kid got killed accidentally by a bomb or bullet, its world news and we will certainly have to hear the opinions of the producers and stars of Friends.... yet, If 1,000,000 continue to die due to lack of medicine, malnutrition etc... to people like them and you, its just a statistic. a number. one more ugly wooden cross in the rocky desert. i would call that "misplaced compassion"
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You do that by killing their parents? Destroying their homes? Eliminating the infrastructre of a country? I suspect without clean water and a way to get food to the people of the cities, that the infant death rate will go higher before it goes lower.
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this is typical "compassion and sensitivity" speaking with a complete absence of logic. Genocide murder, starvation, torture and atonoshing infant mortality rates are favorable to removing his government? your remarks about destroying homes, infrastructure etc are assumptions. Everything else is real. the pain, suffering, death and destruction is real. It happens right now. Hussein has killed millions of his own people... but your problem is "but...but what if a bridge is bombed"
Your position and that of Hollywood has already been noted. Your presence is requested in Iraq to join those human shields that have not already fled Iraq in a bold admission that they were full of shit, spineless cowards, doing nothing more than trying to make a political statement in the form of a bluff. i am sure Iraq appreciated the strong principles, morals, show of support and compassion of those morons.
the fact is Alex, that you have to make the case that removing Saddam is going to be worse both in the short term and long term than just letting history repeat itself for the next 20-30 years and watching millions more suffer and die while living in complete and total terror. You and i both know you cant do that.
Last edited by JR at Mar 14 2003, 11:18 PM