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Originally posted by Marc De@Mar 13 2003, 10:04 PM
The father not having a say is a big issue I have. We claim rights to everything, material things, etc... However, its funny, when the most precious thing is given (life) we all act as though only women have a choice in what is the destiny of that child. Whats the old adage - it takes two? If I was with a woman and found out she had an abortion behind my back I would be FURIOUS and rightly so. That child was as much mine as it was hers.
Giving birth is a decision a person makes when they engage in intercourse. If you are not prepared for the consequences of participating in certain activities, don't participate in them. I can't wait for the days of license procreation  We'll just continue to breed a society of people who can constantly run away from responsibility. Do as you please, no consequences. We'll also continue to read about children wanting to blow up their schools and kill every living thing in sight. We wonder why things get more 'fucked up' day in and day out?
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that's all fine and dandy marc, but I doubt you would be the kind of person who would walk away from his responsibilities ...
making a decision without both parties is apalling, however what would you do if a woman told you she was having an abortion and you didnt agree? have the baby for her?
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Giving birth is a decision a person makes when they engage in intercourse.
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This is a nice theory, but last time you were having sex, were you thinking about shitty diapers? I can't remember the last time I had sex but I don't think i was thinking about feeding a baby at 4am and giving up my own freedom ...
Our society doesn't promote responsible sexuality, it pushes sex in our face at every given opportunity from an age that's much too young, with very little mention of the reality that *can* be associated with sex.
Rox & Vick, good points in your posts ...
there's way too many unwanted children in this world already, without any more being produced. If you've ever been to a hospital, orphanage or childcare center, you'll see plenty of valid reasons for abortion.
Marc, I agree with 1 part of your post - licensed procreation ;-)
I have always thought it odd that you need a license to drive a car, and yet anyone can legally take responsibility for another human life without an approval process of ANY kind.
I've chosen the career path, because as much as I love children, I definately don't feel that I would be capable of doing a very good job raising one. I'll make a decision on what's best for *me* should I ever fall pregnant, because in the long run, its my life.
'abortion' decisions can't be addressed as a moral issue or as one that society is responsible for making ... every case is different ... some people use abortion to avoid taking responsibility for their actions, but most don't.
this one has no right answer.
let's go back to talking about circumcision
