I actually do get a big kick out of seeing if I can be convincing enough to get someone to think outside of their personal limits - and I am often challenged here to do the same with my limits...
Debate sometimes peels back the blinders enough for you to actually learn something.
Alex
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Let's go to the edge of disaster Push the pedal and go a little faster Let's slam into a wall at ramming speed Let's go to the edge of a mountain Jump off and lets start countin' Hit the ground and tell me if it bleeds
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