They are not rogue generals coming to work everyday in a BlackHawk. They are people, who represent others and work within the framework of the Constitution and democratic process. If there is a problem.. then it seems to me that the problem must be with the very system of government itself and not the individuals.
... but, aside from rhetoric, no one can talk specifics about how the Administration is doing anything that the system itself does not allow. If they are, then they are breaking the law. If they are not, then it seems that people would be more concerned with changing the laws that allow a government to take away your rights as citizens.
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Sarettah,
Hatteras spelled backwards - i always meant to ask if that was that coincidence or do you own one?
i love boats.
again is what i posted above. being are expressing a big concern about being afraid of their government of government powers and so on.
but two things exactly are not happening in these conversations throughout the United States
first, the issue (or "excuse" if you want to call it that) is fighting terrorism
no one is suggesting solutions... just expressing fear, paranoia and opposition to the solutions that are being realized.
second, i understand the Joe McCarthey did one thing, that the FBI did another and that Japanese were held in internment camps etc.
AND THATS BEEN MY POINT!
if what we are discussing is illegal, lets discuss the legal or Constitutional issues.
- if Bush is acting within the law, then Homeland Security and a massive infringement of your personal rights is a SYMPTOM of the greater problem that Federal Law and Constitution made it possible.
you mentioned "specifics" and still said nothing about the topic... just made the typical vague arguement with historical referrences. i am talking about the topic at hand. not why the Titanic sunk or how fire was invented. We are talking specifically about a pilot program being developed by the Pentagon to store and analyze data. People have no trouble stating that they are against it.... but dont feel the need to explain if it is legal, illegal, Constitutional, UnConstitutional etc etc etc. Those are the issues that allow these things to happen.
That is where the focus should be if people are so deathly afraid of government storm troopers kicking in their doors at night to steal the liver of their youngest daughter.
Otherwise, people are just criticising the President and his spiritual advisor or the Republicans for being out to get them... but keep forgetting to acknoweledge that they are acting within the law. If i was really worried about it, i would be more worried about changing the system that makes it possible for them to arbitrarily stop you on the freeway one day and suck your brain from your skull.
everything passes through the House and Senate before it comes law. the entire government is participating in the creation of these programs
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