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Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Dec 11 2002, 05:37 PM
Sigh.. a veto here and a veto there on small specific bills doesn't count for squat JR. When the brass tax came down to it he didn't do squat on the actual BUDGET itself. He only tried to use his veto power on small potatoes stuff AND he had control of the Senate for 6 of his 8 years. So 3/4 of the time he had control of 2/3 of the process.
Incredibly good attempt at a diversion though!! 
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TheEnforcer, you are showing some real courage in trying to save face and i admire that. but unfortuneately we need to go back to Government 101, so that you fully understand what you are talking about.
i said that the President does not make the spending decisions for the country. Such decisions (if you are again not aware) must go through the House and Senate. to which you snidely replied;
"The president has this little thing called veto power. It's a process JR and the president has his say"
suggesting that the president has the final say, then going further to attempt to suggest that Reagan was more responsible for bugdet deficits than the opposing party. (you mentioned Reagan first not me)
so let me say again for you, the President does not in fact have the final word on anything. He can veto something, House and Senate can also vote to override that veto. And the system itself is very well balanced and MAJORITY rules.
now you are trying to say something specifically about Reagan and that he "did not do squat on the BUDGET itself". I did not say he did. the purpose of the reply was to educate you a little about how the government works and inform you that Presidential Vetos are not the final say in anything.... which was the entire point of your previous misguided rebuttle.
THEN ====> you go on to make a really rediculous and contradictory point that Reagan "controlled 2/3 of the process" being that he controlled the White House and "controlled" the Senate.
.... uhmmmm..... er.......... well. i guess in this misguided banter of yours, you may have went and actually looked up the Veto Override i am talking about and that is really cool. However, in your haste to respond and save face, it seemed again to escaped your attention that it is in fact contradictory to say Reagan "controlled" the same Senate who voted overwhelmingly to override his own veto. sounds like a definate "lack of control" to me. and it sounds like the system again was working exactly as it was intended to by its very creators.
So... *sigh*......
The president does not have the final word in anything. both parties bear full responsibility for spending, deficits, taxes and everything else that passes through the House, Senate and White House. There are no good guys and bad guys. Only a system that on a whole, works quite well and has since its creation.
Last edited by -= JR =- at Dec 12 2002, 07:46 AM