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11-26-2002

Mike, i am not trying to be a smart ass here like all other posts before and after this one. so bear with me.

i started thinking about this the other day quite a bit and my mind changed totally.

We are equating the Middle East to Islam. Islam is 1.5 Billion people. Those people are in EVERY country.. US, Canada, Western Europe etc etc etc. They are in Seattle, they are in Orlando, they are in New Orleans.

there is only (relative to population) a few small spots in the world where people are distorting the Koran and have real extremist views. relative to the number of Muslims (1.5 billion).. the number of terrorists or extremists is almost statistically non-existent.

what i am saying is that Islam does not necessarily = terrorists, extremism or a bunch of poor, goat fucking villagers in the mountains of Afghanistan shooting at each other for something ones great great great great great grandfather did to the others.

Pat Roberton is trying to say Islam is a violent religion by quoting the Koran. I am saying that arguement is completely ignrant because the Bible itself has its own share of rape, murder, slavery and crusading. We are trying to point out how fucked up the Middle East is by showing it is predominately Muslim and fucked up... or that all terrrorists start there so we can say "haha... i told you so"

i think there is just as much a connection of extremism to poverty as there is to religion. i think the first cause is poverty... not "Allah told me to do it". I personally think that if Islam did not exist in those regions, they would be killing in the name of a Prophet named Bob or the "Mystical Talking Rock" or a school of porpoises... or over some other grievence which would become the catalyst for them to vent their frustrations from being poor and fucked up and living in misery.

i think that their devotion to Islam and Fundamentalists certainly does its its part to perpetuate poverty and ignorance. but i dont beleive that Islam itself causes violence by virtue of the fact that the Koran has violent passages or that Muhammed was a warrior.

violence and extremism historically, has thrived in poverty first. right now, they are called rebels, communist rebels, fundamentalists, extremists... in the middle east "terrorists" etc etc... depends on where they are in the world. basically, they are all people killing for what they believe in and those beliefs and rationales vary widely and are often interchangeable.

if "Islam" itself was the problem then we would have 1.5 Billion people trying to kill us. as it is,.... there is just thousands.

This is America... We could pave over a few thousand people in an afternoon and be eating a Happy Meal for dinner, at the new McDonalds built that day on their bones.

11-26-2002	#8
-= JR =- Guest Posts: n/a	Mike, i am not trying to be a smart ass here like all other posts before and after this one. so bear with me. i started thinking about this the other day quite a bit and my mind changed totally. We are equating the Middle East to Islam. Islam is 1.5 Billion people. Those people are in EVERY country.. US, Canada, Western Europe etc etc etc. They are in Seattle, they are in Orlando, they are in New Orleans. there is only (relative to population) a few small spots in the world where people are distorting the Koran and have real extremist views. relative to the number of Muslims (1.5 billion).. the number of terrorists or extremists is almost statistically non-existent. what i am saying is that Islam does not necessarily = terrorists, extremism or a bunch of poor, goat fucking villagers in the mountains of Afghanistan shooting at each other for something ones great great great great great grandfather did to the others. Pat Roberton is trying to say Islam is a violent religion by quoting the Koran. I am saying that arguement is completely ignrant because the Bible itself has its own share of rape, murder, slavery and crusading. We are trying to point out how fucked up the Middle East is by showing it is predominately Muslim and fucked up... or that all terrrorists start there so we can say "haha... i told you so" i think there is just as much a connection of extremism to poverty as there is to religion. i think the first cause is poverty... not "Allah told me to do it". I personally think that if Islam did not exist in those regions, they would be killing in the name of a Prophet named Bob or the "Mystical Talking Rock" or a school of porpoises... or over some other grievence which would become the catalyst for them to vent their frustrations from being poor and fucked up and living in misery. i think that their devotion to Islam and Fundamentalists certainly does its its part to perpetuate poverty and ignorance. but i dont beleive that Islam itself causes violence by virtue of the fact that the Koran has violent passages or that Muhammed was a warrior. violence and extremism historically, has thrived in poverty first. right now, they are called rebels, communist rebels, fundamentalists, extremists... in the middle east "terrorists" etc etc... depends on where they are in the world. basically, they are all people killing for what they believe in and those beliefs and rationales vary widely and are often interchangeable. if "Islam" itself was the problem then we would have 1.5 Billion people trying to kill us. as it is,.... there is just thousands. This is America... We could pave over a few thousand people in an afternoon and be eating a Happy Meal for dinner, at the new McDonalds built that day on their bones.