Internext Horror Story - Charles Taylor / Suitcase Pimp
 

Saturday night seems to always have a lot of parties during these shows and this one was no exception.

So during the course of the evening I sat with Toby and Paul from Heavenlycurves.com . We were admiring the "floor show" and Paul was taking some pics.

We noticed a hot "girl next door" type. She had all the right curves hidden in this TIGHT navy jumpsuit. [Toby if Paul has those pics maybe you can get him to post them].

Anyhow we decided to go out for dinner and went up fron to wait for the car.

The Enforcer brings over this same girl and we trade contact information.

Fat Fucking Tallent!

Fast forward the the next night around midnight.
I recieve a call from the same girl. It seems that the guy with her was nothing more than a suitcase pimp. Heres her story.

He had banged her out under the auspices of "an audition" where he filmed and got a clear release and id [no money for the model] and then brought her to the convention floor.

Told her to tell everyone she was his girlfriend because we are all scum.
Parades her around and then takes her to Porno Dans PJ party.

After the party --- drugs her out drives all the way to Sarasota for a shoot that was to occur on Weds. He wanted her first shoot to be pissing on someone. In the meantime he was going to have free ass until then.

The girl has enough. Tells the guy this isnt working out and asks him to take her home.
He dumps her out at the bus stop with no cash and tells her to figure it out.

The business card I have for this guy is for
Adult Tallent management
Charles taylor
www.top-shelf-talent.com
561 352 1553

Back of the card says... "Get Paid Big $$$ Today! No Experience Necessary!"

Any models that happen to find this post I would be wary of working with this guy. I plan to follow up with the girl so far she isnt answering her cell phone to see if she made it home ok.

Charles if you find this post your welcome to make a rebuttal. However several of us observed your actions and the girl didnt ask me for a dime. So Id tend to believe her side of the story over yours.

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top shelf talent huh?
but munching scum sucking fucker... if of course all this is accurate.. piece of shit jerk wad

so gonzo.. did ya tap dat ass too? LOL



spaz

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NICE SITE!!
"Look maw, I can type html!!"


spaz

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Interesting story and I'm looking forward to the rebuttal.

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this thread is useless without {tight navy blue dress} pics!


spaz

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She was a very nice girl and I hope she was able to get home all right.

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Always some scum bag taking advantage. :mad:

I sent Paul an ICQ. I'm not sure if he got any shots of her.

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That just sucks. It fulfills a very bad stereotype and this dude will get his someday. What goes around comes around... always.

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Thread is worthless without photos!

:whistling

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yeah... what i said

but still no pics




spaz

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Id set my profile to private too if I was him.

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Just checked and it is private...

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Its ok I busted him out on Xpeeps too.

http://www.xpeeps.com/showthread.php?t=10745

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It's bullshit "business" like that which gives us all a bad name... Shame, shame!

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First and foremost I would like to thank everyone out here to address these issues.

Gonzo….good stuff….like your work. But every story has two sides to it right? So since you actually weren’t there to see everything that took place I will fill in the gaps for you in my rebuttal. Naturally since we do live in a country where you are presumed innocent until proven guilty I am glad that you are here to prejudge this entire ordeal.

I won’t be lying here either since “everyone” knows my MO and I have a truly “bad” reputation to maintain. Ask any of the producers that get talent from me I am known far and wide as a complete asshole….why would I let the legend die now?

Among other things I find talent for various companies throughout Florida and can provide references as for such. The models have to be realistic in respect to the time frame and amount of money that they will make. So let’s say a girl comes to you and asks you for a job that she has no prior experience doing, is not currently tested and has unattainable expectations about the industry in general to begin with. I just don’t waive my magic wand and instaneously jobs come pouring in that the models are interested in doing. You have to take the good ones along with the bad ones as well and examine the pros and cons accordingly.

Brief synopsis: Let’s see I met her she is currently living in as she called it the “ghetto” and her car died while she was in transit to her new abode. So she lacking on the transportation and housing fronts. She went on to say that she had tried to work with other “agencies” in South Florida but were unimpressed since they all wanted sex from her upfront. I never told her she had to sleep with me to get any job but she assumed that it was the case. She actually invited me to have sex with her. If you don’t believe me I can show you the video. I shot the other necessary content and proceeded along with my job to promote her. Took her to the Internext had her meet and greet with you all you nice folks. Took her to porno dans party and a South Florida producer (to remain nameless, why don’t you ask her about this one as well.) wanted her to give him head in the bathroom. That didn’t pan out too well either so we went back to the diplomat. Took her inebriated ass over to the Tampa area for some shoots that I had pre booked for her the next day. One of those shoots cancelled because they didn’t get approval for “her” look. She has got some interestingly placed tattoos and that was the reason for their cancellation. Then I booked her for another shoot and by that time she had totally changed her mind and wanted to go back to South Florida.

Points that I really wish to address are:
1) - I gave her drugs….No sorry believe her on that one. However she told me that she was kicked out of the navy for testing positive for cocaine so believe who you will.
2) - I left her stranded….I took her to a Greyhound bus stop after she told me she wanted to leave. I don’t run a taxi or shuttle service and after I gave $$$ to the girl the night before at the diplomat and at the PJ party for drinks and food (since she claimed she was broke) and then she changes her mind midstream her transportation issues are not my problem. I told her that I would bring her back upon completion of her shoots. If she had stayed till Wednesday and all of the shoots I booked with her had fell though I would be obligated to drive her home, as I have done with many other models before her. Now you should ask her if she had every told me that she “owed” me some money and that I could take it out of her future shoots.

I am also MALE TALENT for several websites and also have adult video credits as well. Sorry to inform you of that but that’s the bottom line. So you’re right I am “Fat Fucking Tallent!” indeed.

Yes I do meet with the female talent before I book them for any shoots and unless female talent has substantial verifiable credits I offer two types of plans for them to choose from-

a) Content
Or
b) Collateral

If you wish for me to elaborate on either of those items I will in future posts. In regards to the questions of pay and travel expenses as brought up in this thread. You must work around the technicalities of each issue. First if you haven’t read any articles lately you won’t know that currently Ray Guhn is being prosecuted in Florida for among other thing shooting adult content in the state. This is related to California v. Freeman where it is legal to shoot commercial porn in the state of California and in all other states it is not applicable. As far as travel expenses go it’s a direct violation of the Mann Act. So when you’re convicted on such charges I will come to see you in prison just to say “I told you so”. So you can take what you want from those statements above but I try to operate within the guidelines of the letter of the law. Naturally I am not a lawyer so I don’t pretend to be a know it all in regards to legal matters along those lines either.


Now you don’t do your job for free and please don’t expect me to do mine that way either. Since you have never been as you call it a “suitcase pimp” you would not know or understand why I have procedures in place for talent to actually understand what their getting themselves into. So yes I do “auditions” with some of the girls at least the ones that I will be working with in the future anyway. This is due to the fact that I want to be sure that we have some chemistry together and once again that they can actually do the job. Now everyone can fuck but some people need a little extra help in the performance department. Since we are selling images and fantasy to the consumer it would only look a tad bit better if the end product really looked good. The bottom line is I have had way too many girls waste my time before like the one you mentioned here. The others before her had said that they didn’t want to fuck the male talent that they were paired up with because as she said “he wasn’t her type” and another girl before her told me after she got to the set that she was unaware that it was “nude modeling”. So now you know why I actually do the shit I do beforehand. I would love to admit that it’s just to get laid like you all have pre assumed already. But since I too already get paid to do it this job as well why am I wasting my time fucking around and not being paid for my time either. The other reason that I meet with all talent beforehand is because I have received a few interesting photos of people over the years doing this job. Some girls don’t have cameras, current pictures or just wish to embellish on their looks. I am sure that after booking a few Rosanne Bar look a likes under the guise that they had told they were supermodels over the phone you too would do a little more research and actually meet up with prospective models before throwing them out to the content shooters. Now I am waiting for all the hypocrites to chime in and call me a scum bag who are themselves doing the exact same thing or wish they could do it as well. But I don’t expect anyone to be as honest as I am in this the adult biz.

By the way thanks for all the bad press as it has worked in all the other “suit case pimps” favor and I appreciate it wholeheartedly. Since ultimately there is no such thing as bad press.


Now go ahead and FLAME away since I could really give a rat’s ass!!!

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Well, that reminded me of some of LC's posts. Long and redundant. However, there are always three sides to every story. Her side, your side and the truth. I can't say that I'd lean toward believing a chick that has sex for money though.

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I guess you should learn to read. I said that the post was similar to LC's style and nothing about shoots and I said I would tend to NOT lean toward believing the story from a chick that fucks for pay, which if you read it correctly is basically saying I tend to believe your version.

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As I sad on xpeeps. Sure are a lot of posts from a guy that doesnt get a rats ass.

Hes already admitted he stranded her 4 hours away from home at a bus stop.

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I think taking her drunk to a shoot speaks volumes. Personally I will not allow anyone on drugs or drunk on my set.

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lol@ the bus station

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Agreed. I pointed this out on Xpeeps, but I'll say it again here: Charles' explanation sounds nice and all, but several things don't add up. It's a typical problem in this business. First, was he trying to meet her to see if she was video-worthy, or was he trying to invite her to hang out with him at multiple parties, functions, etc? His story indicates both. He tries to play it off like this was a typical meet and greet/audition and she didn't pan out, but it's quite rare, in my opinion, to take a model half a state away, to a party, to a convention, and more... just to guage her. I can usually tell within 10min if I want to work with a particular model or not. It sounds to me like he was playing a dual role here, trying to impress her with who he knows and what he could do, while also trying to 'audition' her. Secondly, I bet she didn't know that her rides were contingent on her shooting for him. He's the one who said himself this was kindof an audition, so why would she have known that he expected her to do shoots already? He claims he knew she was broke and lived in "the ghetto", so maybe he thought she wouldn't be in a financial situation where she couldn't turn down any work he offered. Maybe he thought he had a sure thing on his hands and got all bent when she said she wasn't interested and wanted to go home.

He picked her up, he took her to a party, and more. Unless he told her what kind of situation she was getting into, and what the stipulations were, she had every right to expect a ride home.

Oh and also, he displays the BPAV logo on several of his sites.

The following is from the BPAV website:

BPAV's mission is to:

• Encourage responsible, ethical and professional practices in adult video production
• Denounce any type of performer mistreatment resulting from a non-consensual act
• Promote responsibility on the part of performers for protecting themselves and one another from sexually transmitted diseases
• Help protect the image of the industry
• Spread awareness of its best practices through BPAV supporters

Below are the first 3 of BPAV's recommended Best Practices:

• Disclosure of Acts
  Producers must fully inform performers in advance of the nature of any shoot, specifying explicitly who they will be working with and the types of acts they will be performing.
• Care in Types of Acts
  BPAV encourages producers to avoid any situations that place performers in physical danger or lead to a performer feeling mistreated as a result of non-consent
• Respect of Performers
  Adult performers are the backbone of the adult entertainment industry. BPAV believes in the professional treatment of all performers on and off the set.

Sounds to me like, at the very least, he isn't practicing what he preaches.

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Welcome to Oprano. Very nice first post.

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:clapping: :okthumb: agreed and welcome hell house


spaz

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Thanks once again for trying to be another monday morning quarterback. It takes patents to stick with something and you’ve proven yours. Too bad for the model in question if she had your diligence we would not be reading about this story to begin with. So I will attempt to correct your errors. You’re a shooter not a talent procurer I would only hope within the first 10 min you would feel if the talent was worthy of shooting. Most shooters that I get talent for are the same way. I was acting in that capacity for her of finding work for her nothing more nothing less. Didn’t feel the need to impress her and if that was the case I would only look for talent during the conventions dates that lived in and around those areas as well. She wanted to meet producers and I thought DAMN A VAST MAJORITY ARE HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA RIGHT NOW. I didn’t take the model half a state away…she lives in Miami. So keep reading into it what you want. Now if you wish to contact me and be a adult about this instead of a keyboard warrior my phone number is in the initial post.

As far as your charges about BPAV...go ahead and file a compliant I would love to speak to rational person who doesn’t jump to conclusions.

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after working in the adult industry since 2000, and also working deep in the porn scene in LA as talent with my wife for over 2 years, you just described every single girl that walked through the doors of every single angency/managers office

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rhetorical I think taking her drunk to a shoot speaks volumes. Personally I will not allow anyone on drugs or drunk on my set.

Guess I wasn’t the only one who couldn’t read last night since her proposed shoot was more then 12 after we had made it to our destination. So once again all of the shooters that I work with as well DO NOT shoot anyone drunk or on drugs. You do know what a release is worth if someone was to do that right?

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Miami to Tampa is a good 250 to 300 miles so yes, it was a half a state away, easy. I drive down from Orlando every year and it's 225 miles from my house to the hotel. Miami is very near the southern tip of the state and Tampa is a little higher than the middle and on the opposite coast.

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and your argument is already a little weak, but arguing over semantics when a half a state is pretty damn accurate ain't helping you look honest.

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I will also say this...after working as talent for a long fucking time, agents are 100% the bottom of the barrell, and unfortunately I have not met one yet that hasn't taken advantage of a girl or mis-treated a girl when he hasn't gotten his way, whatever way that may be

being an agent means you are the bottom of the fucking barrell, and they don't call it bottom of the barrell for nothing, that is where all the scum is

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Dude, settle down, It's not like i pissed in your cheerios, i'm just pointing out how the model MIGHT have perceived the situation. Obviously her comfort and perception of the situation is not something you are concerned at all about.

And yes, I AM an agent, do your research. Just like you, I can play a dual-role too. I just do it ethically - models who work with me are presented upfront with scene descriptions covering all types of shoots we deal with, the contractual stipulations, and what kind of situations they will be expected to perform in. They also understand that the 'parent' company owns a talent agency as well as a production company and are informed of our 'farm team' methods of doing business.

Also, you said she wanted to meet producers, but why did you decide it was your job to introduce her to them if, as you said before, this was still her 'audition' stage? Your story isn't adding up.

As far as BPAV, I'm not trying to 'file a complaint' here, I'm just telling you that maybe you should understand what the BPAV's 'best practices' really mean before you claim that you support them, since you obviously do not adhere to them.

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unfortunately, after the experiences we have had with agents, the same can be said for them also

so, having an agent fight with a model is like having a shaving program owner fight with scamming affiliate

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She HAD finished the "audition" process....and it was a success. That was the only reason why I took her to the events. I wouldn’t take someone who didn’t want to be there to and industry event so she could get free drinks (PJ Party) and mingle with the local celebes.

I was only trying to convey the message to you...for which I cannot do since you’re in you’re word as I am in mine. Once again opinions are like assholes and everyone got 'em it is not for you to decide what your definition of BPAV rules, regs or specs are it is theirs, unless you actually work for them then you would have a shot.

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2 fat guys arguing over which is better...
dunkin donuts
or krusty kreme

:)


spaz

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I dunno man, i think the descriptions of the 'best practices' are pretty clear. Especially when it comes to respecting and informing models.

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Mr. Taylor,
what are the facts as agreed upon by all parties?
You deep stroked talent for free as an 'audition' - ok your a macdaddy because i would assume most models wouldnt spread their valueable real estate for free

you took the girl to the con and parties on your arm

she got sick of what she perceived to be your 'shit' and wanted to go home

you dumped her at bus station without verifying that she did indeed have bus fare

does that about sum up the facts as ALL parties agree to?


spaz

{edited fair to fare because I had a brainfart}
{edited again to change brianfart to brainfart because Hammer is all up in my ass about it!!} LOL

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Id say thats about as clear cut as anyone can make it without a lot of posturing, insults and deflection.

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What's a 'brianfart'? Is your real name Brian? ;)

Was this model able to get into the hotel for free or did someone have to pay for her badge?

Dumping anyone at a bus station when you know they don't have any money or without verifying that they do have any money is just plain wrong, and I don't care who it is. What if she had left the bus station and started thumbing, got picked up in the boonies, raped and murdered? I'm pretty sure at that point you would have some serious legal issues, if not moral ones.

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i think that is when the family guy cast shows up and brian farts on you

and yes, dumping someone at the bus station is just fucked up and wrong....it doesn't matter who it is.

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Any news on whether she made it home ok?

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Number goes to voice mail

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So when she called you she was still at the bus station and you didn't go get her or find a way to get her some money? ;)

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I offered to wire her some money. She wouldnt accept it. That wasnt her point of contacting me. She said that this guy was a psychopath. Fucked her. Told everyone she was his girlfriend and started crying when she told him otherwise.

Her intent was that I would spread the word on her behalf.

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Thou hast accomplished thine mission thinks I :okthumb:


spaz

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Oh, you’re simply a fat pathetic loser if you honestly have believed all of that. If that was the case she would have never called you in the first place because she would have been around to do so.

You sir are the biggest moron I have ever met in this industry as of yet.

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Testy aint we?
You want to address everything except for the fact that you stranded this person at the bus stop knowing that she was broke.

BTW its fat losers like me that buy content and hire models. Keep showing us all your business ethics. Maybe next year I can toss you a quarter at the Greyhound station.

Whats your address? Id like to send you a mirror. And you can cut a few lines off of it later after youve taken a look.

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first... i am bigger then GonZo... he's waifer thin compared to me and i am a moron... so flawed assumption.. of course you havent actually met me yet :)

but I am glad you're back... can you address the post I made about the 'facts' please? I am curious if you agree those are the facts


spaz

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in case you missed it :)


spaz