Are we sure there are republicans in the white house? i thought they were for smaller governent;)


Congress May Require Closer Scrutiny to Get a Driver's License
By MATTHEW L. WALD
and DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Published: May 3, 2005

ASHINGTON, May 2 - Congress is moving quickly toward setting strict rules on how states issue driver's licenses, requiring them to verify whether each applicant for a new license or a renewal is in this country legally.

A House and Senate conference now taking place has included the requirements, which apply to all 50 states and other jurisdictions that issue licenses, in a supplemental appropriations bill for Iraq, aides involved in the process said on Monday. The draft legislation will be completed in the next few days and is all but certain to pass.

State officials complain that the new requirements will add a costly, complicated burden to the issuance of driver's licenses, which has been their responsibility for almost a century. Civil rights organizations and privacy advocates say that they are concerned that a standardized driver's license would amount to a national identification card and that a central database would be vulnerable to identify theft.

The proposed regulations, intended to deter terrorist attacks, would replace a provision of the intelligence bill passed in December that called on state and federal agencies to develop new rules for licenses. That law did not specifically require states to check the citizenship or immigration status of applicants.

Eleven states now grant driver's licenses to noncitizens who do not have visas. There is no reliable estimate of how many licenses have been issued to noncitizens, whether in the country legally or illegally.

Some of the ideas in the new measure were considered and dropped in December. But conservative members of the House, led by Representative F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., Republican of Wisconsin, threatened to block passage of the intelligence bill, and won an agreement that they could try again this year. They got a pledge from the leadership to include the driver's license measures in a must-pass bill this year.

Under the rules being considered, before granting a driver's license, a state would have to require proof of citizenship or legal presence, proof of an address and proof of a Social Security number. It would need to check the legal status of noncitizens against a national immigration database, to save copies of any documents shown and to store a digital image of the face of each applicant.

The licenses issued must include the driver's address and a digital photograph, and would incorporate new authentication features designed to prevent counterfeits. The new law would also require that the licenses of legal temporary residents expire when their visas do. The rules would also apply to renewals, an aide involved in the conference said.

Supporters of the law say it addresses important security problems and note that some of the Sept. 11 hijackers used driver's licenses as identification when checking in for their flights, and that a few had expired visas.

Supporters also say the measure will help control illegal immigration. Caroline Espinosa, a spokeswoman for NumbersUSA, a group that lobbies for tighter borders and tougher immigration laws, said, "This is really targeted toward national security, but a side effect would be discouraging illegal immigrants from coming into the United States and making it more difficult for them to open a bank account, buy a house, rent a car or buy a car."

State officials and some senators say the new provision, known as the Real ID measure, imposes verification procedures - like the authentication of birth certificates - that would be difficult for even the federal government to meet.

A bipartisan group of senators - the Republicans John E. Sununu of New Hampshire and Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, and the Democrats Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut and Richard J. Durbin of Illinois - complained about the proposal in a recent letter to the Senate majority leader, Bill Frist.

"By repealing a provision enacting a central recommendation of the 9/11 commission, in favor of unworkably rigid federal mandates," the letter said, "it would jeopardize an initiative that can make the nation safer from terrorist attack."

I have the solution to all this.

Have a "FREE Illegal Aliens Driver's Registration" day in every state. As the illegals show up escort them out the back for a one-way ride to Mexico.

I took my last driver's test when I was 15 years old and 3 inches shorter, why could I possible be needed to be tested again? :unsure:

I have a ton of friends that are here on overstayed visas driving with no drivers license. Would you prefer they continue driving with no license or insurance or be issued licenses? They are also working, wouldn't it be better if they were given social security numbers and paying taxes?

yes, and pot should be taxed instead of spending $4,000,000,000 of tax payers money to fight it....the war the government can't win.

I'm moving to a warm little island with broadband web access. :awinky:

Here, if you have speeding tickets or higher within your licensing period, you have to take the driver's test over again when your license expires. I had to take the test again in March. (flunked it the first time because I didn't recognize one of the new signs that is supposed to make it easy for non english speaking people to read road signs)

Why the fuck should I care about non english speaking "citizens" in the first place? After getting the book that explained what the cartoon like signs meant I passed the next time

B)

I tire of the lengths we've gone to make it easier for the non english speaking populace to get along. I think I'd rather go learn another new language somewhere and be done with it.

I got off the plane in Orlando and in the first day went to the DMV , took the test , got my liscense , saved a fortune on entrance to Disney and tee times :)

yes, and pot should be taxed instead of spending $4,000,000,000 of tax payers money to fight it....the war the government can't win. [/b][/quote]
Wow we actually agree on something. The end of the world must be near.

it is funny how such an "advanced" country is now rushing to do this kinds of shit. in other places you can't even get one if you don't show proper paperwork.


with that said however you look at other countries that do this and how far behind they are compared to usa and makes you wonder what is going to happen now. will development decrease in usa due to all the paperwork?

and to finish up yeah baby i am going to take over the world and ask for 1 meeeeellion bucks


i am evil LOL

Not all un-documentary aliens come from Mexico... :angry:

They come from all over the world!