It's wonderful to watch the peaceful transfer of power ( though its Bush's 2nd term.) Democracy - Our gift to the world.

No plans to watch it here.

Although from what i gather there are some concerns about the security of Bush during the ceremony so who knows it could be interesting to watch.. decisions, decisions.

yeah but the singers they have are not doing anything for me.

I have it on in the background.

Yeah same here, waiting for the important stuff.....

bush blinks alot.

It's a secret message to commando units to feed Michael Moore extra doughnuts to keep his mind off of Bush for a few hours.....

It's a secret message to commando units to feed Michael Moore extra doughnuts to keep his mind off of Bush for a few hours..... [/b][/quote]
could be.


jesus, there's alot of jesus talk in the inaguration

I liked the singers on American Idol better!

I'm watching it on the Spanish channel...

Nah. It's a rerun.

Ahahahaha mike!!! You fucking shit disturber!!!

Not gonna rise to it...


nope...

not biting....


FUCK IT!!!!

Gift!!! Its a fucking curse!!!!

Be a democracy or die!!

I blame the fucking Greeks for starting it...bastards~! ;-))

And no , I'm not watching it.

Me too. The Greeks were right! Except Socrates and he got his.

OK lemme change it....

Modern Democracy.


Make you feel a little better Nick?

Not really...


After the fucking Greeks , I of course Blame the French. ;-)))

BASTARDS!!!


The United States really just did a "Brad Shaw" on democracy.....

Copied it poorly.Took all the meaning , intent and enjoyment out of it and then they keep telling us how THEIR idea is so good that everyone else gets sick of hearing it , and decides to tell them to fuck themselves.

OK , the comparison does fall down a bit because if you don't go along with the way the US feels they can fuck you up.

Whereas Brad has to resort to making a gay video...

;-)))

I hope they serve pretzels...

My girlfriend wouldn't let me fly the flag upside down today ... :(

Nick who did out Founding Father's copy?

Come now, the US is the longest continual democracy in the WORLD today.

Don't hate... embrace!!


PD I am happy to see your girlfriend is keeping you in line, you should keep her around.

:salute:

Not really...


After the fucking Greeks , I of course Blame the French. ;-)))

BASTARDS!!!


The United States really just did a "Brad Shaw" on democracy.....

Copied it poorly.Took all the meaning , intent and enjoyment out of it and then they keep telling us how THEIR idea is so good that everyone else gets sick of hearing it , and decides to tell them to fuck themselves.

OK , the comparison does fall down a bit because if you don't go along with the way the US feels they can fuck you up.

Whereas Brad has to resort to making a gay video...

;-))) [/b][/quote]
Bah! People of the world's other nations plagiarize America's criticisms of itself and then not only don't give credit but claim that the US is now not free to such discourse. ala RawAlex.

Go straight to the source. The NY Times!

is that today? im watching ESPNews.

We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.

PD - tell her to get in the kitchen, where she belongs.

I'm not watching. The plot is contrived and unoriginal. The lead actor isn't remotely believable. And it's going to take four years to get to the ending.

We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.

PD - tell her to get in the kitchen, where she belongs. [/b][/quote]


Aeon, you have a gift for the obvious.

I am using the term democracy loosly....

You can relax now.

Yeah...

We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.

PD - tell her to get in the kitchen, where she belongs. [/b][/quote]
Aeon - can't tell her that yet. If I do, she'll go in there and cook supper ...






which means I gotta do the dishes. I'd rather cook.

Aeon, you have a gift for the obvious.

I am using the term democracy loosly....

You can relax now.[/b][/quote]
Pointing out the obvious is good sometimes.

This whole thing depressed me. American idiocy being plastered all over the world. It's kinda like having a retarded brother embarrassing you in front of everyone in the mall.

Pointing out the obvious is good sometimes.

This whole thing depressed me. American idiocy being plastered all over the world. It's kinda like having a retarded brother embarrassing you in front of everyone in the mall. [/b][/quote]


:lol: :lol: You must be a little shy.

Embarassing? Come now.

Embarasing is dancing around in steets dragging dead multilated bodies behind.

Embarassing is having a future Monarch who dresses as a Nazi.

Embarassing is being on your 4th Republic, trying to hold on to power that has faded 100 years ago.

Embarassing is constructing a new statue to Stalin in the year 2005 to try and help your nation feel better about itself.

Embarassing is being a Canadian, where your opinion and that of your Country is on the same level as Uganda.

We all have something the be embarassed about.

Nope. Haven't seen one second of it. Didn't watch either of Clinton's either. Inaugurals bore me to tears. I'll watch his State of the Union speech though to see how much sunshine he tries to shove up our asses like all presidents do.

:P

Constitutional Republics are a subclass of Democracies.

Yeah... [/b][/quote]
haha. Nick, you have best the sense of humor of anyone I've ever known. But it doesn't make you right ;-) ;-)

Constitutional Republics are a subclass of Democracies.[/b][/quote]
Congrats, you win the even more obvious award.
edit - this applies to the US government structure/edit

Embarassing is having to admit that you are just as American as I am.

Congrats, you win the even more obvious award.
edit - this applies to the US government structure/edit [/b][/quote]
So you were wrong. Ok. We agree.

So you were wrong. Ok. We agree.[/b][/quote]
No...in the US there's a democratic facet to a republic. It's not a pre requisite for the concept at large.

No...in the US there's a democratic facet to a republic. It's not a pre requisite for the concept at large. [/b][/quote]
Aristotelian logic

America is a Constitutional Republic
Constitutional Republics are Democracies
Therefore America is a Democracy

MikeAI's logic.

I'm a Republican
You don't support the War
You're a pinko commie with Canadian or French Tendacies , possibly both.

;-))


Anyone else notice that if Bush says a "tricky" word correctly he gets all pleased with himself ? LOL

Endearing for a 5 yr old. Scary as shit for a President.

I watched a little of it but it just keeps going on and on and on...lol

Yeah...doesn't it. LOL

"OK.. you're the Prez!! Lets hit the bar!"


Done! :)

Aristotelian logic

America is a Constitutional Republic
Constitutional Republics are Democracies
Therefore America is a Democracy[/b][/quote]
http://plato.thefreelibrary.com/Republic

I suggest you read...kierkegaard followed hegel's dialectic - but he didn't agree with hegel's premises. Should I use aristotle's definitions? I can use rozenzweig's defintions about things as well he was a young hegelian.

Here's something else:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=republic

representatives are entitled to vote...there's no mention of how/why they're entitled to vote or who decides the representatives

compare that to:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=democracy...

read before you speak.

LOL...sounds like a plan to me!

http://plato.thefreelibrary.com/Republic

I suggest you read...kierkegaard followed hegel's dialectic - but he didn't agree with hegel's premises. Should I use aristotle's definitions? I can use rozenzweig's defintions about things as well he was a young hegelian.

Here's something else:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=republic

representatives are entitled to vote...there's no mention of how/why they're entitled to vote or who decides the representatives

compare that to:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=democracy...

read before you speak. [/b][/quote]
I've read "the Republic". There's nothing in there about logic that I can remember. Maybe you are referring to his critique of Democracy but that has nothing to do with the argument.

What do Kierkegaard or Hegel have to do with it?

haha. I can't believe you are using dictionary.com in this discussion. What a joke.

dictionary.com is a fine reference if you just need to skim to get the idea about something;) details and history and logical thinking are not important, Colin, didn't you get the memo?

"We (the British) have hated the French for years. Now you (the United States) have just joined the club. It makes you much more likable." - Simon Cowell

I've read "the Republic". There's nothing in there about logic that I can remember. Maybe you are referring to his critique of Democracy but that has nothing to do with the argument.

What do Kierkegaard or Hegel have to do with it?

haha. I can't believe you are using dictionary.com in this discussion. What a joke.[/b][/quote]
Hegel created the modern dialectic...just like Plato created the original idea of a republic. Kierkegaard used Hegel's concept just like Aristotle did. It's called an analogy...familiarize yourself with it.

You chose aristotle's interpretation...justify it and show me what "democracy" has to do with a leader bound and governed by laws.

Good luck...

Hegel created the modern dialectic...just like Plato created the original idea of a republic. Kierkegaard used Hegel's concept just like Aristotle did. It's called an analogy...familiarize yourself with it.

You chose aristotle's interpretation...justify it and show me what "democracy" has to do with a leader bound and governed by laws.

Good luck... [/b][/quote]
You're confused. I didn't say anything about dialectic. I was referring to Aristotelian logic and even gave an example.

Plato did NOT create the original idea of a Republic. Plato wrote in the 4th century BC. The Roman Republic was founded in the 6th century BC. Duh. I have a suspicion you've never read Plato's work just like you've never dined with the Queen of England.

Well then...who wrote the republic?

You should enlighten me...who created the concept of a leader governed by laws?

The queen's old - I like em' young...

I'm all ears Dr Colin - or in the case...all eyes.

Plato wrote a book called "The Republic". He did not "create the original idea of a republic". I know the Roman Republic was founded about 500 BC. I don't know if there were any republican governments before that.

???

I thinks maybe you flunked western civ or something....

The Iroquois Indians actually....

Just noticed this and had to respond :)

Prior to the ratification of the nineteenth amendment on August 18th 1920, there is no way on earth the United States could be termed a democracy.

Denying over half your population the vote is really not democratic.

So I would claim New Zealand as the longest continual democracy in the world, which authorized women's suffrage in 1893, a full 27 years prior.