http://ydr.com/story/business/54418/

:rokk:

One of my clients does mobile, and they have a few add-ons that are quite nifty. In real life they design games for Jamdat and do dev work for Sony, so their delivery is impeccable.

If you need a demo let me know and I'll get Fred to hook you up.

emjayfunk ... that is bland, the examples dont work and this shit is on every single board, thinly disguised as business. It should go into the spam portion

I totally agree

In working on partnerships for the new cell/mobile company I just got major funding for,
I've met some great companies who really know what they are doing with content delivery and delivery systems.

AEBN even had some interesting products to show off at InterNext.

I am interested in putting my toe into mobile. Especially in Europe. If anyone has a billing and delivery solution, please spam me. I haven't really got my head around the whole sms thing.

contact the guys at www.mediaplazza.com
they not only have multiple country delivery, but also multi-country, multi-lingual customer support.

Ok , this is getting weird...

I'm agreeing with rhymer ....again.

But I was in the same boat.

When you chat with people who are really up on it , it is amazing the potential.

Ok , this is getting weird...

I'm agreeing with rhymer ....again.

But I was in the same boat.

When you chat with people who are really up on it , it is amazing the potential. [/b][/quote]
Here is what I have found out so far about the product you want to present, Nick. You do the Ireland test. Will it be legal in Ireland? If not, you might want to re think it at the moment.

Here is what I have found out so far about the product you want to present, Nick. You do the Ireland test. Will it be legal in Ireland? If not, you might want to re think it at the moment. [/b][/quote]
What?????

What????? [/b][/quote]
The technical potential is amazing, but because it is transmitted by just a few carriers in Europe, they are worried about the legal realitites of the product. Hence the Ireland test. This is strictly a European distribution thing where it is big at the moment.

The technical potential is amazing, but because it is transmitted by just a few carriers in Europe, they are worried about the legal realitites of the product. Hence the Ireland test. This is strictly a European distribution thing where it is big at the moment. [/b][/quote]
I think its only the begining though...

The downoads are incredible.

Downoading ringtones

pics

.....

I think its only the begining though...

The downoads are incredible.

Downoading ringtones

pics

..... [/b][/quote]
Yeah, I am very optimistic. I do most of my business in Europe at the moment and i am trying to figure this whole thing out. I had one guy in Montreal lined up to do it, but he fumbled the ball. I don't think he quite understood it either.

There are numerous micropayment sms companies out there, mainly Europe, although a few are springing up in the US.

http://www.smsbiller.com/

http://xbiz.com/article_piece.php?cat=47&id=6677

apologies about posting another forum on this one, i could not include the page without listing the source.

Thanks for that, I will contact these folks and see where it leads.

yeah, I had forgotten about smsbiller, they are great folks who run a great company

Thanks for that, I will contact these folks and see where it leads. [/b][/quote]
Welcome ;)

Here is what I have found out so far about the product you want to present, Nick. You do the Ireland test. Will it be legal in Ireland? If not, you might want to re think it at the moment. [/b][/quote]
dont let it go to your head, nimwit

Although I think mobile is definitely worth exploring, especially if billing can be tied to it....

I gotta ask myself from a user point of view, how pent up do ya gotta be to wanna rub one out to a 1 inch screen?

actually, the screens are getting bigger
also, not everyone looks at erotica just to rub one out ;-)

dont let it go to your head, nimwit [/b][/quote]
You are rockin today, Grimm. Irritation?

Then think of something you would do with a cell phone user...

Collect their number and sell it to me for one thing ;-)


For example you could give them a free 24 hour password to your paysites.. delivered by SMS message only.. Free for both parties... and depending on the site and how much info you can get, earn good money for each one... and target them for SMS micropayment upsells when they get in the members area.


If you own or know a bar/club print an SMS number on your coasters that people can send a code word you display above the bar to for a free drink. Spend a thousand bucks promoting it in local press and the bar will likely cover the free drinks... Depending on the club and location and how much demographic info can be gleaned.. each number may be worth as much as 10 bucks to you... ;-)


here's another good idea too.... Check out Cj's http://www.redhotgreetings.com/ site... you will have to register to see it... (but its worth doing to see this work) She has a link under every e-card to send it to a cellphone now.. when you see how that works on her site it might open your mind to more ideas too imho... we can send Any Images to phones now.. and half the world has had phones that use this stuff for years.. American's who twig to the opportunity first and manage to hook us into the US market earliest will do very well imho.

(I Love SMS/MMS :rokk: )

i already heard it a lot of times. good at least i could carry it evrywhere i go

to send them the password costs money, its just like sending an sms so there is a carrier cost here that can't really be avoided ....

i think its around 12c ?
i'm not 100% sure but was looking into this a few months ago when we set up sms billing on our sites

nice idea about the free drink in a bar

i've something similar in the works - good to see your thinking along those lines ;-)

Sop evvectively it would be 12cents per.

Wonder what the take rate is ,and wonder what the conversion rate qould be.

Sending to a per , minute place as well might be interesting..

Well... because i really do love you.... I will do it for free for you ;-) Right now today... there will be a small ad tag line in all your messages of course ;-)



(Dont tell Cj.. but Ill do it free for anyone else too)

;-)

Actually my clients product is billable in Europe as well as the US. If you'd like a demo, PM me with the cell phone number you'd like it sent to and I'll have him hook you up today :)

I'm really looking forward to when we start receiving mass spam on our cell phones.

As I'm driving down I-95 at a hundred I will be able to improve my sex life, get a new mortgage, find the love of my life, and take care of that itchy red rash.

Ring ring (pick your own ring tone that you bought)
Hello
Cleo I'm home alone waiting for you and I'm so horny plus I can get you a better rate on your mortgage…
Phone goes dead as Cleo's car crashes.

Next week Phishing scams coming to a phone near you!

Actually my clients product is billable in Europe as well as the US. If you'd like a demo, PM me with the cell phone number you'd like it sent to and I'll have him hook you up today :) [/b][/quote]
we have a europe and us billable option as well, just not quite ready for prime time (damn laywers and paperwork...how I loathe them)

I'd be interested in your client as well (can never have too many options when you just raised a nice chunk of seed capital ;-))

Oh My... not an evil persopn trying to advertise at you!!!

Don't you get SMS spam already? I do, have done for years and ignore it... imho SMS spam is very inneffective, unless the person wants it.

If the cost of you getting some "free" product or service was receiving a weekly SMS message with a coupon code for a discount at one of your local shoe shops... would that bother you Cleo?

Let's chat then, I'd be more than happy to introduce you to them. Primarily they've been designing games for Jamdat and doing dev work overseas for companies that make phones. They got into the adult market in Europe on a lark some time ago and have been making a small fortune over there. Since they don't deal with anyone else in adult (or hadn't until I started introducing them to people) they came up with the simplest idea for stateside billing they could. Which is actually the most effective when I look at the alternatives, and should give them a chance to smash a lot of their European competition by being the first ones to lower the price paid for the product by a ton as well.

They've got Sprint deliverable content as well, and they've paired some interesting audiotext features into the mobile content that can only add to the bottom line.

At a time when I'm trying to pare down and cull out my client list to the ones that actually are worth the time and effort spent with them, these guys are a breath of fresh air.

Uh, I pay for my incoming SMS messages. I will NOT be happy when/if I start getting spammed. No coupons will fix that.

I used to get some when I was with Nextel but I haven't gotten any since I've been with T-Mobile now for over a year.

Yeah I never read it and it was useless but so is the spam that I get in my e-mail and snail mail box.

I'm pretty much spam proof.

Is anyone that you know making money selling ring tones, wallpaper or anything like that?

I just don't see a lot of money in this but then again I just don't get all the crap they are putting in phones now.

The phone that I have now, SonyEriccson T-610, has a camera and all kinds of crap. I like how it syncs with my laptop's address book, calendar, and notes but other then that I just use it to make phone calls.

Let's chat then, I'd be more than happy to introduce you to them. Primarily they've been designing games for Jamdat and doing dev work overseas for companies that make phones. They got into the adult market in Europe on a lark some time ago and have been making a small fortune over there. Since they don't deal with anyone else in adult (or hadn't until I started introducing them to people) they came up with the simplest idea for stateside billing they could. Which is actually the most effective when I look at the alternatives, and should give them a chance to smash a lot of their European competition by being the first ones to lower the price paid for the product by a ton as well.

They've got Sprint deliverable content as well, and they've paired some interesting audiotext features into the mobile content that can only add to the bottom line.

At a time when I'm trying to pare down and cull out my client list to the ones that actually are worth the time and effort spent with them, these guys are a breath of fresh air. [/b][/quote]
sounds great

is Jamdat any relation to Jamba?
I get some of the Eruropean mobile content guys mixed up

I've been in talks with some of the guys from Jamba and their stateside Jamster products. A nice bunch of guys with an amazing vision.

Uh, I pay for my incoming SMS messages. I will NOT be happy when/if I start getting spammed. No coupons will fix that. [/b][/quote]
I don't get how the american billing system works for phones

How on earth do phone companies get away with charging for a call twice?! The sender initiates the call/sms, and they should be the ones that pay for it!!

My cell phone bill would be through the roof if i paid for what i received :unsure:

i think the pressing question is.. why? this is a business model doomed for failure.

Yep and it's always been like that. :(

Some of the companies are starting the deal where if you call someone else who has the same cell service the call is free for both of you.

Do you have one phone company for landlines in AU or several? I suspect that's where it gets dicey. We have so many different once (3 or so just in a 50 mile radius of my house) that getting billing in place for someone to call from a landline to a cell might be tricky. I've heard rumors they are going to start charging the caller only, but I've been hearing that for a few years.

I don't get how the american billing system works for phones

How on earth do phone companies get away with charging for a call twice?! The sender initiates the call/sms, and they should be the ones that pay for it!!

My cell phone bill would be through the roof if i paid for what i received :unsure: [/b][/quote]
it used to be like that, but now i dont think you get billed for incoming anymore, at least i havent, and ive had just about every carrier in the US:)


I think it used to be there was no way to stick the telcoms with the cell bill, so it went on your bill...cells also used to charge only by the minute, no plans.

I still get billed for incoming minutes and SMS on Cingular. It either bills against my usage or if I go over, it bills in minutes or SMS.

And Cingular is the only carrier that works from my house. :grrr:

We have several companies who we can choose to bill our landline through. But they are pretty much nation wide, and there is really no issue with the billing side of it. You sign up to the one company, and u get charged a set rate for calling land lines, STD, or mobile calls.

We also have it so you get cheaper rates or better deals if you call people who are on the same network.

Because the screens are getting bigger, and the technology more advanced. On my phone that I have ( a sony ericson Z1010 ) and the network im on ( 3 Hutchinsons ), I can access the internet and download the latest Movie Trailers and watch them within minutes. And it isn't even a very recent or even that fancy a phone anymore.

I almost feel everyone is holding back with their ideas for what they can provide via mobile phones. Already you are getting hybrid phone / pda / mp3 player / portable video game systems. Just wait til they bring out the iCall, an iPod with mobile capabilities (or something like that). Or something that takes the market by storm.

Anyway, its something I dont want to miss out on personally, and hopefully we will be launching a unique mobile adult service pretty soon.

i think the pressing question is.. why? this is a business model doomed for failure. [/b][/quote]
LMAO

yeah what a stupid idea :rolleyes:

I think you've been sitting at your computer for too long Grimm!!!

Step out into the real world for a minute ... porn actually sells better when its portable, and if you think size or speed have anything to do with it, you must have forgotten how you made money in the Internet pre 2000 :rolleyes:

LMAO

yeah what a stupid idea :rolleyes:

I think you've been sitting at your computer for too long Grimm!!!

Step out into the real world for a minute ... porn actually sells better when its portable, and if you think size or speed have anything to do with it, you must have forgotten how you made money in the Internet pre 2000 :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
I guess ill just have to wait for the technology to catch up. why would i pay for porn on my mobile phone? the screen resolution is too low, the data speeds are still too low for even non graphical WAP pages. remember i live in the us, not Japan. the US isnt high speed digital cellular ready in most areas. the most we can get is ISDN speeds, and that is in limmited areas, some metropolitan areas are EDGE network ready, but that is a handful of cities.


I still dont see it working. Too many obstacles.


your pre-2000 argument doesnt hold water.. the playing field was level then.. sped was what it was.. now you are approaching a market moving at cable modem speeds with ASCI technology moving at a turtles pace. There may be a market sometime, but there is such a thing as being TOO ahead of the curve.

:nyanya:

You are rockin today, Grimm. Irritation? [/b][/quote]
I actually have no recollection of posting that. odd

actually, I see adult as more of a way of getting this technology to the masses, but the real money will be made in services and products outside of the adult industry...but now I've said too much without invoicing for consulting services rendered
;-)

I guess ill just have to wait for the technology to catch up. why would i pay for porn on my mobile phone? the screen resolution is too low, the data speeds are still too low for even non graphical WAP pages. remember i live in the us, not Japan. the US isnt high speed digital cellular ready in most areas. the most we can get is ISDN speeds, and that is in limmited areas, some metropolitan areas are EDGE network ready, but that is a handful of cities.


I still dont see it working. Too many obstacles.


your pre-2000 argument doesnt hold water.. the playing field was level then.. sped was what it was.. now you are approaching a market moving at cable modem speeds with ASCI technology moving at a turtles pace. There may be a market sometime, but there is such a thing as being TOO ahead of the curve.

:nyanya: [/b][/quote]
ok grimm
if you say so

:)

I'm sorry I was out all afternoon and missed this thread!

That reciever pays billing model is the craziest thing I have ever heard of... American telco's woud be eaten alive in a competitive wireless market.. lucky for them someone sold America a lemon at the start and the rest of the world followed Europe.



Cleo and Grimm... Imagine a time when Cellphones cost less to use than landlines... cell-cell is free for many services... live video calls on cellphones are possible.. TV on your cell phone is possible.. java applications start being released by every company you deal with... every day you see new services that you can Only get by wireless.. every TV show has some PAY offer to buy something related to that show by SMS.

Most of that happens now for most of the world.. in fact I am only using the word cellphone for American benefit.. as they aren't even really phones anymore.. they are fast being accepted as "wireless devices" and every American person will "need" one the same way you "need" a pc/web access now.. 3G in America will change the world.. 200million of you bastards becoming newbie wireless customers over the next 12-24 months feels like being around at the start of the web again!!

Of course KK is 2 steps ahead of the crowd as usual :okthumb:

My phone died recently and T-Mobile did everything they could to sell me this huge phone with a big screen that did everything but be small enough to fit in my jean's pocket. They even lied to me and told me that Sony Ericsson had gone out of business. In the end I got the same phone that I had.

The problem with these phones that do all of this stuff is that you have to fit the screen and buttons someplace which makes the phone huge.

For people that like small phones, most of the people that I know want a very small phone that fits in their pocket, these do everything video phones are just too big.

If you download porn to your pc, where do you wank over it?
Over your keyboard, or do you take the memory with you and do it in the bed or toilet?

Mobile porn will be bigger than online imho

I totally agree. I've got a Sony Ericson too Cleo... and HATE it.. apart from the fact that it does fit into my pocket so perfectly.

it's a T200 or maybe a T300 (I forget) which has almost none of the cool 3G features.

What I really want is a phone this size that fits into a slightly larger "shell" like a laptop docking station with some hard drive space and a XGA quality screen.

so I can carry the phone about in my pocket and leave the bulky part in the car or a home when not wanted.



*Edit: Now i know why you finally got a cellphone Baldie!! :P