Okay, just got the "we didn't need that tax cut, we needed to make american safer"... and Bush stumbled and looked lost.

Bush has been waffling, avoiding the questions, answering what HE wants to talk about, not even attempting to answering what he is asked. Looking VERY evasive.

Anybody?

Alex

I agree...Kerry is winning the debate.

But Bush will still win the Whitehouse.

Bush is really looking like he forgot his cue cards...

Alex

Stuttering...whining...






but enough of you Alex!!!







( sorry I HAD to!!)

Ok... this is from my 14 yo daughter... "Daddy, why does Bush seem so confused?"

but but but... I have... had... will have...going to have... the right respons-answer in a minute or soon or something like that.

Alex

Bush is having his ass handed to him....






but he will still win.





I love Bush's "cunty" look LOL

;-)))

:okthumb:

from the mouths of...etc etc

spot on...

Man, it's really difficult to watch him. He is getting annoyed, and he is starting to run in circles.

Alex

wow, i'm astonished this man has been given the responsiblity of running a country.

this is like watching a high school debate!!!!

they're broadcasting it downunder ??

they're broadcasting it downunder ?? [/b][/quote]
yeah but the picture is upside down.



;-))



ooops nope thats just Bush's grin ;-)))

Seems like a draw from the few minutes I've been able to watch.

Only on the right hand side of the screen CJ... There's a fine line between a silent pause for effect and just standing behind the podium without a clue how to respond... lol

Bush is doing well. Flipping alot of shit back at kerry....a few awkward pauses but....he's making kerry look worse than he's making himself look.

Just posted this on my journal:

God save us all.

"SPEAK, MOTHERFUCKER, SPEAK! FINISH YOUR FUCKING THOUGHT YOU GODDAMNED IDIOT," I yelled at the television when Bush said, "If Kim Jung Il doesn't listen to the international community then... uhhh... [10 second lapse]... uhh..." and then I lost track of his derailed train of thought.

Kerry is a colossal disaster who has no more understanding of what the real threats are or how to deal with them than my 2 year old nephew does of 6th Century Japanese Literature. But Bush has the brainpower of a trained monkey who can't follow a train of thought for more than five or ten words including articles (a, an, the) -- I can't believe one of these two morons will have authority to launch nuclear missiles.

Oh dear Jesus. This country is fucking done. Done. Finished. Kerry would say he'd smear shit on his chest if he thought it would guarantee him a victory in November, and Bush wouldn't be able to provide a coherent, fluid response if you wrote it for him and he could read it off a dummy card.

"Mexed Mixages." Does this motherfucker have Slyxdexia?

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

I want out. I really want out. It's time for a fucking revolt. Who's with me? Who among you will stand by me as I take this country back?

Buff,

I still can't decide if yours or Pushpills post was funnier... could I have an encore as tiebreaker?

At first, Bush was doing mediocre and Kerry was doing shitty. Bush made him look silly. But then Bush started losing his train of thought and started that mumble mouthed shit that shows the inability to think his way out of a wet paper bag, and Kerry started getting better. At this point I'd score it like this:

1-100 scale.

Speaking Ability

Bush: 7
Kerry: 40

Policy

Bush: 55
Kerry: 13

Making me want to expatriate

Bush: 95
Kerry: 90

Total Debate Score

Bush: 6
Kerry: 11

Conclusion: The thought that one of these men already leads the free world and one of them is guaranteed to lead it for the next 4 years makes me wonder if we couldn't do better randomly picking one US Citizen's name out of a hat instead of having an election.

And Alex, try some unbiased analysis for a change. Everyone knows you'd suck Kerry's cock if he smiled at you. Try being objective.

Anyone who votes for either of these men is part of the problem.

Yeah Bush did a weak job, at least at the end.

Kerry did better in talking....

I don't think this is going to change anything. Bush is still going to win.
There was no homeruns for Kerry.

It was pretty boring...

now that is classic

It was frustrating.

So
Very
Frustrating

he doesnt have to try to make himself lok like an idiot. he has condoleeza rice and dick cheney for that:)

Didn't watch it
Wasn't there and still ......

.... I know I could have won :P

1 down
289,999,999 more Americans to go



Personally I think anyone who votes is part of the problem

Vick, if it had been you vs either of them, you would be elected dictator tomorrow and they'd be shot.

90 minutes of Bush attempting to justify his actions in Iraq.

Kerry came out better in this one, and a debate on foreign policy no less.

Bush should have won this one in a landslide. He didn't.

Buff ... please. Go. Leave now. Do not let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

I don't think Kerry "hit a home run". I don't think that this specific debate will change many people's minds.

If Kerry can come across as well in all three of them, however, it could have an impact.

Eat a dick.

Kerry missed a lot of opportunities -- why didn't he stuff "Mission Accomplished" down Bush's throat? It's dumb and dumber and idiots like you choosing sides.

Vick,

Not to downplay your conjouring skills... But the last 20 mins Bush was pulling answers out of his ass...

Eat a dick.

Kerry missed a lot of opportunities -- why didn't he stuff "Mission Accomplished" down Bush's throat? It's dumb and dumber and idiots like you choosing sides. [/b][/quote]
he did, you can't possibly tell us you followed the whole thing. there were alot of big words and sentences.

BUFF FOR PRESIDENT!

:salute:

Eat a dick.

Kerry missed a lot of opportunities -- why didn't he stuff "Mission Accomplished" down Bush's throat? It's dumb and dumber and idiots like you choosing sides. [/b][/quote]
Eat a dick? Great googly moogly, man, I haven't encountered that retort since Junior High School.

To paraphrase that great American Al Swearingin, one of those two cocksuckers is going to be the cocksucking President. I'm not an America hater like yourself, so I gotta pick one or the other.

So please ... get your fucking ass to someplace you'd feel more comfortable, or go to Idaho and wait for the revolution.

Eat a dick? Great googly moogly, man, I haven't encountered that retort since Junior High School.

To paraphrase that great American Al Swearingin, one of those two cocksuckers is going to be the cocksucking President. I'm not an America hater like yourself, so I gotta pick one or the other.

So please ... get your fucking ass to someplace you'd feel more comfortable, or go to Idaho and wait for the revolution. [/b][/quote]
America hater? I love America, that's why I hate politicians -- they are fucking up this country. I bet in junior high you had a lot of guys telling you eat a dick, and I'm sure you complied.

America hater? I love America, that's why I hate politicians -- they are fucking up this country. I bet in junior high you had a lot of guys telling you eat a dick, and I'm sure you complied. [/b][/quote]
great googly moogly, america hater? so if you are anti bush you are anti america. what a fascist. shine up your jack boots, jesus. America Hater is the dumbest thing i have ever heard in this context.


Biggest load of bullshit i ever heard. what is your level of education? you sound like a high school dropout. way to simplify things into sound bytes and rhetoric. it is because of people like you that america finds itsef with two idiots to vote for. you are not a republican, you show no signs of any of the tenets of a representative republic. you show more of the tenets of fascism. Your way or the highway, eh. Ill take the highway

Vick,

Not to downplay your conjouring skills... But the last 20 mins Bush was pulling answers out of his ass... [/b][/quote]
Why thank you butt ....


Mine come out of my vest (or strait jacket) so they may no smell so bad :lol:

Vick, if it had been you vs either of them, you would be elected dictator tomorrow and they'd be shot. [/b][/quote]
:wnw: Thank you :wnw:

and Single Moms continue to thank you for your support

Yes, Buffy, there were lots of people in Junior High School who were challenged enough in the vocabulary department that the smartest retort they could come up with is "eat a dick." I felt sorry for 12 & 13 year olds that could do any better than that; as I have suggested before, a private-school educated ADULT who can't do any better than that ought to find himself an evil trial lawyer and sue to recoop his tuition., because he obviously didn't get much for his money.

As far as whether I complied or not, don't see how that matters one bit. However, if it makes you feel more macho to challenge me on that score, you go, girlfriend.

Regarding the rest of your claptrap, I've heard it all before. Kennedy (then LBJ) was taking God out of the very same classrooms he was putting the niggers into. Roosevelt was going to turn America into another Soviet Union. Andrew Jackson was going to destroy America by letting commoners vote - which is I suspect a big objection of yours, actually.

they're broadcasting it downunder ?? [/b][/quote]
yes, we all have televisions in our homes now :P

besides, our federal electoral campaign is a big fat yawn. its next weekend ... if anybody noticed ... or cares :rolleyes:

compulsory voting makes the marketing less impressive over here LOL

the american presidential marketing campaigns will have more impact on our election than our aussie campaigns .... & more television airtime :biglaugh:

That was a big fat joke & mockery of democracy IMO

I loved how Bush says 'we were attacked so we attacked back' and Kerry just says 'um, dude, bin laden attacked us' then bush goes on for another 2 minutes about saddam :rolleyes:

If this is democracy, wtf is the point?!?!?

Yes, Buffy, there were lots of people in Junior High School who were challenged enough in the vocabulary department that the smartest retort they could come up with is "eat a dick." I felt sorry for 12 & 13 year olds that could do any better than that; as I have suggested before, a private-school educated ADULT who can't do any better than that ought to find himself an evil trial lawyer and sue to recoop his tuition., because he obviously didn't get much for his money.

As far as whether I complied or not, don't see how that matters one bit. However, if it makes you feel more macho to challenge me on that score, you go, girlfriend.

Regarding the rest of your claptrap, I've heard it all before. Kennedy (then LBJ) was taking God out of the very same classrooms he was putting the niggers into. Roosevelt was going to turn America into another Soviet Union. Andrew Jackson was going to destroy America by letting commoners vote - which is I suspect a big objection of yours, actually. [/b][/quote]
so you are pro segregation, and for church in school.


Ladies and Gentlemen, George Wallace. Ho do you gt DSL in your cabin in the woods? Those are two issues that are at the stage they are at for a reason. church doesnot belong in school for a REASON. Integration happened for a REASON. ts called progress. Neocon republicans share the same boat with Osama Bin Ladin when it comes to Progress. They avoid it like leprosy.

"id never join a club that would have me as a member"

Buff, you can be so "junior high" at times. Part of my personal preference for Kerry is a deep distrust (bordering on hatred) for Bush and everything he stands for. It might be hard for you to understand, but Kerry is saying exactly the things that can get the rest of the world to get back in the game. It might be beyond your understanding how important this is, I know that the old "shoot 'em all and let allah sort them out" mentality runs deep. But in the end, you get much more done when the gang is with you than you do by yourself.

As for the debate itself, I think that I would score it about 70 - 30... Bush looked confused, spent way too long on the defence, and kept answering the same things over and over again. Those things might play well on the evening news, but sound bites don't make a debate. I suspect his team is going to give him a HUGE makeover before the next event.

I also think Bush was very transparent in his attempts not to answer direct questions. Again, that sort of redirection might play well in sound bites, but put into context, it really looks evasive.

Kerry needs to learn some shorter words. He tended to get a little wordy.

Alex

But you trust Kerry, right? Because he's an honest politician.

so you are pro segregation, and for church in school.


Ladies and Gentlemen, George Wallace. Ho do you gt DSL in your cabin in the woods? Those are two issues that are at the stage they are at for a reason. church doesnot belong in school for a REASON. Integration happened for a REASON. ts called progress. Neocon republicans share the same boat with Osama Bin Ladin when it comes to Progress. They avoid it like leprosy. [/b][/quote]
Grimm, no offense, but reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point.

I am about as far removed from supporting segregation, religion in schools, or anything related to the neocon agenda as you can get.

The point I was trying to make is that I heard many of the same arguments the Ostrich Society (too smart/hip/cool/intelligent/detached to vote, so I'll stick my head in the sand) and the Gloom'nDoomers (both parties are corrupt, no point in voting for either, America is going to hell in a handbasket) make for as long as I've been alive - and any halfassed study of American history will tell you that both schools of "thought" [sic] have been around for a long, long time.

I think the most important thing here is ...




... that Grimm's avatar looks like Christopher Walken to me.

Buff, I would expect the leader of the free world to be able to answer simple questions. I would expect him to at least make a passing attempt to answer questions as asked.

I saw little of that in Bush. Instead I heard "flip flop" and "change position" over and over. Few ideas, attempts at zingers, and a bunch of "umm" and "ahh"...

Kerry stayed pretty darn composed, and I think won the night handily.

Alex

LOL it does!

Bush demonstrated that he's one-trick pony who speaks so poorly in public that he deserves to be mocked for it.

Kerry demonstrated a notion of foreign policy so naive and unrealistic that he deserves to be mocked for it.

I can understand if you consider one of these dipshits to be less worse than the other and therefore want to choose the lesser of two evils as apparently PD the junior high fellator does, but the idea that you would actively support one of these assclowns is nauseating.

*shudder*

My opinion and Buff's opinion have some how looped so far in the opposite direction they have merged :unsure:

If I had the option not to vote, I wouldn't, because the 'voting for lesser of 2 evils' has made a joke of democracy. The elections are won through corporations & which puppet can get the most funding from the control freaks in Texas.

Here's were Buff & I differ *Phew* ... whereas he wants to pick up some guns and go blow up random people until he hits the right one, I would rather smell the flowers than blow them up.

All I can say is thank god I was born into a country that at least pretends to have a democracy (australia & america are both the same in this respect) & that has food and water ... instead of the Middle East, Africa, China, or any of the other places humans are lucky to live to the age I am now or experience basic human rights.

The best thing we can all do with our lives is to get on with living it, enjoy the time we have as much as we can and leave the shit to the assholes. Anything else is disrespectful to those who aren't so fortunate.

But you trust Kerry, right? Because he's an honest politician. [/b][/quote]
oxymoron

Grimm, no offense, but reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point.

I am about as far removed from supporting segregation, religion in schools, or anything related to the neocon agenda as you can get.

The point I was trying to make is that I heard many of the same arguments the Ostrich Society (too smart/hip/cool/intelligent/detached to vote, so I'll stick my head in the sand) and the Gloom'nDoomers (both parties are corrupt, no point in voting for either, America is going to hell in a handbasket) make for as long as I've been alive - and any halfassed study of American history will tell you that both schools of "thought" [sic] have been around for a long, long time. [/b][/quote]
none taken, i just missed your point. my reading comprehension is just fine, i just hear the same ole crap so much, i tend to skim.


So what is the solution per se? we get two choices to compromise our country. IT is well established that voting for outside parties is a "wasted vote" so why waste your time voting unless you are taking one of the big two.

Special interest wins again.

The Fear Zealots and Rich get their choice

Kerry is the unknown, and we cant have that.

So where do we go. Clinton was the unknown, and we got 8 good years in terms of what REALLY matters.

I am much more worried about kids on drugs and somebody breaking into my house than i am about terrorism. Terrorism is a tool, a crock of shit, the rhetoric has been run into the ground so much that the warning levels carry no weight.

granted, measures have worked, but AWARENESS is the greatest weapon, and i dont think it matters who sits in the oval office for that. American security is not a lynchpin issue. The pieces are in place. nothing wil chnge even if charlie brown ends up taking florida. I Hate, despise, cannot stand george bush for his Old boys club, buddy buddy, ignorance of the middle class. I dont know as much about Kerry, but hell i do know what bush did for four years...who would you vote for, 4 years of bad administration, or 4 years upcoming of questionable administration.


and the bigger question, why should we have to. we made a mistake (or there was some misdoing) 4 years ago, and we are paying the piper in the form of a shitty Nov 2 to look forward to.


my .02