straight from his own lips, he said that our childrens education is horrible, and that we need to do more ( I wonder if he meant more than just bullashit rhetoric)

he said that congress has failed our nation as far as improving our education system has gone.... he specifically said in the last three years too LOL

hey do not get me wrong, I am all for mia cupla, but did anyone remind this bafoon that HE was the head of one of the same "congress" he is referring too

AND BTW, THEY WERE REPUBLICAN CONTROLED!!!!

so what was the cause of the failure? is it them damn liberals in the republican party again or was it bill clintons fault?

Dude.. its epidemic.....

Michigan's Govenor ran on a platform of 'improved education'..... first thing the bitch did when she got into office?? CUT the Education budget by 1/3.....

She's a Dem, btw....

In all fairness, throwing money at education is NOT the answer, IMHO.

In all fairness, throwing money at education is NOT the answer, IMHO. [/b][/quote]
but neither is taking it away ;-)

If it's being wasted I'm sure the money can be spent better elsewhere or taxes lowered :)

Some school districts, here in Oregon have been forced to cut all extra ciricular programs, including any after school care, sports, or other programs, such as thespians, chior, band etc....

in fact they are now only going to 4 days of week school instead of 5 what is next?

they already make people pay for the bus service if your child rides the bus....

I think this is more the core of why people bitch, cause we still pay as much, but the services get cut, it is not about giving them more, it is about REAL accountability, and unfortunatly building more schools, and sending teachers to other countries to teach our way of life, is not the answear IMHO

If it's being wasted I'm sure the money can be spent better elsewhere or taxes lowered :) [/b][/quote]
which part is the waste?
teachers getting a raise?
administrators getting a raise?

I can't speak for everyone nor other school disctricts, other than the one my kids attend schools in, but I maintain very close contact with teachers, etc. at my kids' school by joining organizations like the PTO/PTA, getting involved with fundraisers, etc. Maybe the lack of participation by other parents has resulted in a system of unchecked expenditures?

Granted, there needs to be oversight into where the money is being spent, but just cutting out money for afterschool activities and freezing new hires just to save a few dollars isn't solving anything either.

ah, but we've had this discussion before ;-)

I know :awinky:

I just have to go by what I see here - the City of the Atlanta spends more per student than any other school district yet they are always one of the lasts on the lists for tests and overall school preformance.

Most private schools pay less per student than most public schools yet it's widely considered you get a better education there. Private school teachers usually make less than public school so raising the salaries isn't always the answer either :(

I'll just say I'm VERY glad I don't have to deal directly with the public school system any more. :okthumb:

Do I have to do the education litany again

Fuck any school system

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EDUCATION OF YOUR CHILDREN!!!!

Not your congressperson
Not the government
Not the teachers at the school your child attends
Not Republicans or Democrats
Not the Governor of your state

IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY

We all come in from the cold
We come down from the wire
An everybody warms themselves
to a different fire
When sometimes we get burned
You'd think sometime we'd learn


Just like children hidin' in a closet
Can't tell what's goin' on outside
Sometimes we're so far off the beaten track
We'll get taken for a ride
By a parlor trick or some words of wit
A hidden hand up a sleeve

And to prove it - the schools where the parents are involved are by far the best performing schools - year after year after year after year :)

Education is a State and local issue. Feds cannot do anything but pour money into education.

The teachers unions should be disbanded, there should be a voucher system, and testing for students and teachers. Those who dont meet guidelines should be sent back to school - or if they are teachers FIRED.

Our public education system is a joke.

not everywhere. In the northeast with testing and regents exams, public schols are in top shape. My high school has grown in population fourfold, yet remains in the top 10% in testing scores and average GPA in the US...


I think public education should be renamed inner city public eduction. the suburbs are doing fine

And why? Hint: See Vick's post. :awinky:

(before his song......... :rolleyes: )

Hiring teachers with an adequate level o education is a good start.

Majrity of school districts will not hire teachers with Masters educations or above. They cost too much. this is because teachers unions determine hiring minimums

Bingo. parents are majorly involved in suburban school districts...


but then again, in the suburbs you have a larger segment of single breadwinner fmilies. Parents that can be there to be involved in their childs school lives.


Poverty in inner city, or the necessity of two paent orking families allows children to fall through the cracks. It is the government's responsibility, through vouchers or tax breaks, to allow parents to work less and become more involved

The mindless modern day liberals are simply expendable. I despise them & Marx would slaughter them in public...their very existence makes me gag but you people do understand: we peddle porn...I don't get it - are people that stupid they would put an evangelical Christian in the office when you're livelihood is based on something they consider theologically evil?

Listening to mindless stoner fuckwits is one thing and would make anyone feel intellectually dirty...realizing you're slitting your own throat is another. I've said before, in a masochistic kinda way I want jr. to be re-elected...I can't wait to see the new neo-con supreme court dealing with you all. Tell them about free speech. Before you do I'd suggest you go read up on National Socialism.
:heil:

I see that the rec room computer at the local psychiatric hospital was not properly secured last night ..

Bingo. parents are majorly involved in suburban school districts...


but then again, in the suburbs you have a larger segment of single breadwinner fmilies. Parents that can be there to be involved in their childs school lives.


Poverty in inner city, or the necessity of two paent orking families allows children to fall through the cracks. It is the government's responsibility, through vouchers or tax breaks, to allow parents to work less and become more involved [/b][/quote]
I was a single working (and usually poor) mother throughout my son's entire school years. I was involved. And I certainly wasn't the only one. Both parents working isn't an excuse.

As far as the government giving money, while I approve of vouchers for private schools, that isn't going to somehow create parents who care enough about their children to be involved in their schooling. Neither will tax breaks. Again, throwing money at the problem isn't the solution or our public schools would be putting out the best students in the world, and we know they aren't.

How do you make a parent care? I wish I could answer that question. :(

Pssss Parents don't start educating or caring when a child reaches school age

It starts the day they are ...

.... conceived


One of the best and most treasured things in my life
When Sebastian crawls up into my lap with a book and says"Daddy read please"

You should have heard the conversation when we watched Fantasia
Explaining evolution, music to abstract images (letting your mind create what it sees in a different way), changing of the seasons, good versus evil (sometimes good doesn't always win), mythology (and Bacchus was in it) and responsibility

The opportunities to learn (for both) are incredibly fulfilling and endless

Don't you have a candle to light...or tree to pray for?

I beg you actually meet a Marxist. You'll get the leftest young Hegelian ideal explained quite clearly. Let's just say you should learn the phrase "bourgeois traitor".

Wanna take a trip to South America? I'll cover the tab.

Don't you have a candle to light...or tree to pray for?

I beg you actually meet a Marxist. You'll get the leftest young Hegelian ideal explained quite clearly. Let's just say you should learn the phrase "bourgeois traitor".

Wanna take a trip to South America? I'll cover the tab. [/b][/quote]
as others here



I'm am a Marxist .....


.... of the Groucho variety :groucho:

as others here



I'm am a Marxist .....


.... of the Groucho variety :groucho:[/b][/quote]
We have to drink together...period. :hic:

AMEN i think the first part was used by GNR not sure about the second :)

Inabon - Both

aeon - anytime, Picasso's famous last words - drink to me, drink to my health
You know I can't drink anymore