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Winetalk.com 06-15-2004 12:17 PM

I bought a few ETF's and now cashing some chips
;-))))

wig 06-15-2004 12:26 PM

No, unfortunately I bot them last week and got out with a loss on Thursday..,

Bad timing, but that's how it goes sometimes when trying topick the low.

I will be looking to buy a 2-3 day pull back if we get it.

Winetalk.com 06-15-2004 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wig@Jun 15 2004, 11:34 AM
No, unfortunately I bot them last week and got out with a loss on Thursday..,

Bad timing, but that's how it goes sometimes when trying topick the low.

I will be looking to buy a 2-3 day pull back if we get it.

VERY sharp move today....I haven't seen bonds rally like that in a while...
I guess it happens every time when MAJORITY gets bearish and short mofo's like there is no tomorrow
;-)))

Buff 06-15-2004 12:51 PM

Inflation means expect high interest rates and low bond prices. Monetary policy has been horrific (printing new money out of control) -- inflation is high -- much higher than being reported. And before you cite the CPI or Core Index, let me remind you of a favorite government tactic:

From Murray Rothbard's Making Economic Sense
Quote:


The concoction of the "core rate" is a plausible-seeming example of a racketeering general principle: if you want to make inflation go away, simply take out the price categories that are rising most rapidly. Lop off enough prices, and you can make it seem that there is no inflation at all, ever. Find some excuse for taking out all the rising categories, call whatever is left the "base rate," and presto-changeo! inflation is gone forever.


Winetalk.com 06-15-2004 12:57 PM

Buff, you mixed up with somebody we are not, we are NOT economists, we are the traders trying to make a few bucks on bond movements...
"The business we in is not question you WHY,
the business we're in is to SELL and to BUY"

and this sums it all, your economic theories included.

(BTW, TODAY people who beleived in what you quoted losing their shirts, undewear and kids inheritances)
;-))))

wig 06-15-2004 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buff@Jun 15 2004, 11:59 AM
Inflation means expect high interest rates and low bond prices. Monetary policy has been horrific (printing new money out of control) -- inflation is high -- much higher than being reported. And before you cite the CPI or Core Index, let me remind you of a favorite government tactic:

From Murray Rothbard's Making Economic Sense
Quote:


The concoction of the "core rate" is a plausible-seeming example of a racketeering general principle: if you want to make inflation go away, simply take out the price categories that are rising most rapidly. Lop off enough prices, and you can make it seem that there is no inflation at all, ever. Find some excuse for taking out all the rising categories, call whatever is left the "base rate," and presto-changeo! inflation is gone forever.


Buff,

I concur with what Serge has said. I am not hear to explain it, but to make money.

With that said, I do agree with your macro view of the eefects of fiat currency, inflation, et al.

However, this is something we have been dealing with for decades. Forecasting lower bond prices / higher rates based on this fundamental observation has not produced results in 20 years.

While I believe that ultimately you will be proven correct, timing it is another story.

Everything else is academic.

Buff 06-15-2004 01:20 PM

Sounds good. My analysis was not geared to day trading -- just the current infaltion/interest rate trend.

Winetalk.com 06-15-2004 01:23 PM

Buff,
have you heard the joke when son asked his father to explain him the difference between
"theoretical" and "practical"?
;-)))

Buff 06-15-2004 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 15 2004, 11:31 AM
Buff,
have you heard the joke when son asked his father to explain him the difference between
"theoretical" and "practical"?
;-)))

About his sister and mother and theoretically being millionaires but practically living with two whores?

Winetalk.com 06-15-2004 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buff+Jun 15 2004, 12:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Jun 15 2004, 12:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 15 2004, 11:31 AM
Buff,
have you heard the joke when son asked his father to explain him the difference between
"theoretical" and "practical"?
;-)))

About his sister and mother and theoretically being millionaires but practically living with two whores?[/b][/quote]
yeap! that's the one!

fits perfectly for this thread
;-))))

Buff 06-15-2004 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 15 2004, 11:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 15 2004, 11:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -Buff@Jun 15 2004, 12:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano
Quote:

@Jun 15 2004, 11:31 AM
Buff,
have you heard the joke when son asked his father to explain him the difference between
"theoretical" and "practical"?
;-)))


About his sister and mother and theoretically being millionaires but practically living with two whores?

yeap! that's the one!

fits perfectly for this thread
;-))))[/b][/quote]
Nope haven't heard it! Tell me!!!

:)

Winetalk.com 06-15-2004 01:32 PM

the truth of the matter is:
when EVERYBODY beleive in something to happen and act accordingly-
they usually get screwed.

Winetalk.com 06-15-2004 01:33 PM

...even if they are right in the "big picture"
;-))))

wig 06-16-2004 09:30 AM

Serge, with bonds retracing 3/4 points this morning, I am starting to scale into longs.

104.12-17/USU4 should be resistance turned support.

Winetalk.com 06-16-2004 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wig@Jun 16 2004, 08:38 AM
Serge, with bonds retracing 3/4 points this morning, I am starting to scale into longs.

104.12-17/USU4 should be resistance turned support.

I closed all my trading positions yesterday and look for next trade as we speak....

Buff, give me idea how to make a $1000 in 3 mins
;-)))

Buff 06-16-2004 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 16 2004, 07:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 16 2004, 07:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wig@Jun 16 2004, 08:38 AM
Serge, with bonds retracing 3/4 points this morning, I am starting to scale into longs.

104.12-17/USU4 should be resistance turned support.

I closed all my trading positions yesterday and look for next trade as we speak....

Buff, give me idea how to make a $1000 in 3 mins
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Knock over a liquor store.

wig 06-16-2004 10:25 AM

hahahaha good one!

Plus, you can score some vino rojo!

wig 06-16-2004 10:30 AM

Serge, I'm not looking for much, but I think we will at least test 106.24-107.08/USU4.

http://charts.barchart.com/chart.asp?sym=u...=XSTKIC&org=stk

Peaches 06-16-2004 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buff+Jun 16 2004, 10:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Jun 16 2004, 10:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jun 16 2004, 07:44 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--wig
Quote:

@Jun 16 2004, 08:38 AM
Serge, with bonds retracing 3/4 points this morning, I am starting to scale into longs.

104.12-17/USU4 should be resistance turned support.


I closed all my trading positions yesterday and look for next trade as we speak....

Buff, give me idea how to make a $1000 in 3 mins
;-)))

Knock over a liquor store.[/b][/quote]
There's only one for 2-3 counties around here and I'm pretty sure they know Wig on a first name basis and would just figure he forgot to pay the wine bill, not that he was robbing them. :nyanya:

wig 06-16-2004 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peaches+Jun 16 2004, 09:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jun 16 2004, 09:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Quote:

Originally posted by -Buff@Jun 16 2004, 10:24 AM
Quote:

Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jun 16 2004, 07:44 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--wig

Quote:

Quote:

@Jun 16 2004, 08:38 AM
Serge, with bonds retracing 3/4 points this morning, I am starting to scale into longs.

104.12-17/USU4 should be resistance turned support.


I closed all my trading positions yesterday and look for next trade as we speak....

Buff, give me idea how to make a $1000 in 3 mins
;-)))


Knock over a liquor store.

There's only one for 2-3 counties around here and I'm pretty sure they know Wig on a first name basis and would just figure he forgot to pay the wine bill, not that he was robbing them. :nyanya:[/b][/quote]
They are just lucky I decided not to open a Liquor store and compete (that is if i can get past the good ole boy network).

Knowing what I spend on wine/booze every month, it is reason enough. :hic:

Winetalk.com 06-16-2004 10:43 AM

Wig,
I don't do futures....and doing nothing is also
"course of actions"
;-)))

wig 06-16-2004 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 16 2004, 09:51 AM
Wig,
I don't do futures....and doing nothing is also
"course of actions"
;-)))

I know you don't, but just thought I would share what I am looking for. :D

Winetalk.com 06-16-2004 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wig+Jun 16 2004, 10:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Jun 16 2004, 10:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 16 2004, 09:51 AM
Wig,
I don't do futures....and doing nothing is also
"course of actions"
;-)))

I know you don't, but just thought I would share what I am looking for. :D[/b][/quote]
and I appreciate it..
there is a good russian saying:
"It's better to lose with a smart one than gain with an idiot"
;-)))

Winetalk.com 06-16-2004 12:16 PM

so far, so good, you making money
;-))

tsk-tsk, Buff, he is doing the opposite from what your quotation suggested
;-)))

Winetalk.com 06-17-2004 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wig@Jun 16 2004, 09:38 AM
Serge, I'm not looking for much, but I think we will at least test 106.24-107.08/USU4.

http://charts.barchart.com/chart.asp?sym=u...=XSTKIC&org=stk

more money!

Good trade, mate!

wig 06-17-2004 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 17 2004, 12:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 17 2004, 12:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wig@Jun 16 2004, 09:38 AM
Serge, I'm not looking for much, but I think we will at least test 106.24-107.08/USU4.

http://charts.barchart.com/chart.asp?sym=u...=XSTKIC&org=stk

more money!

Good trade, mate![/b][/quote]
thanks. hopefully we will close above 105.07 which will be my next signal that a rally to 107 +/- is still in the making.

We are really at a critical, do or die level in bonds/notes from a short-term perspective.


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