It has NOTHING to do with business we made,
it has nothing to do with anything I expect in return,
but it has EVERYTHING to do with:
when and if I need a favor,
I NEVER hear NO from the guys.
There are people on the net I can count on my hands I can say the same thing,
and THIS for me MUCH more important than implied charecter flaws, etc, etc some people atribute to them.

I rest my case.

So you're getting ready to ask them for a favor, huh?

P.S. I love those guys.

We love you too :)

Now , lets lock this thread before it gets really gay. ;-)))


Why do people tell these lies about me ?

;-))

jealousy?
Your boyish good looks and slightly gayish Birtish accent makes the babes go nuts and the guys are jealous...

I'm working on the expanding waistline and spam empire building, but getting better with the British accent........

:nyanya:

nope,
I have no list of favors....the LAST favor Nick did for me was granting my request of stopping giving me the stock tips
;-)))

My dad has a saying Serge and I quote

"Shit sticks together"

My dad has a saying Serge and I quote

"Shit sticks together"[/b][/quote]
shit????

fuck you, you ignorant fuck dad, and 3 generations of Alexes in all directions.

You fuckin' worm bark because you can't bite those shits,
and you know darn well that I can pee in your mouth without consequences whatsoever,
because...I CAN.

yeap, you are right, we ARE shits and you are our ass wipe.

shit????

fuck you, you ignorant fuck dad, and 3 generations of Alexes in all directions.

You fuckin' worm bark because you can't bite those shits,
and you know darn well that I can pee in your mouth without consequences whatsoever,
because...I CAN.

yeap, you are right, we ARE shits and you are our ass wipe.[/b][/quote]
take it you don't like his dad's saying :zoinks:

shit????

fuck you, you ignorant fuck dad, and 3 generations of Alexes in all directions.

You fuckin' worm bark because you can't bite those shits,
and you know darn well that I can pee in your mouth without consequences whatsoever,
because...I CAN.

yeap, you are right, we ARE shits and you are our ass wipe.[/b][/quote]
I think I hit a nerve....LOL

I have plenty more of "Dads" saying too....LOL

I also wasn't aware you had a pissing fetish.....

One more thing, the extent of your power over me is your board and the ability to ban me. Such power should be bottled...LOL

As for ass wipe, try Charmin. I have a thick beard and could cause serious irritation.

Alex, why not just go to court and get it settle by a judge?

Just wondering...

Who says I'm not in the process of that route. : ))

Then why keep talking about the issue?

Exposure.....

Expose the frauds in this business and maybe someone else won't get screwed. Even if it is one, that is an accomplishment.

Plus Serge loves the exposure on his board too.



Last edited by Alex From San Diego at May 30 2004, 03:34 PM

ok, thanks for answering my questions :-)

No problem Rolo. Anytime : ))

Have a great holiday weekend if you are in the states.

Alex - there's one question I never saw an answer to, if it's been posted please forgive me

Did you have on entrance consoles opening on the tour pages traffic was being sent to?

If so was that covered in your agreement?

For those who are new to the industry, or just new to oprano, let me explain this strange, messed up situation...

1 of the parties involved is a proven, self confessed scam artist who will lie to their supposed friends to try to make a few bucks. The other party has run a legitimate business for 7 years and worked with industry leaders the other party could only dream of working with.

1 of the parties will be in this business for as long as they want to be, the other party has to hide for fear of one of their victims taking revenge.

1 of the parties involved has a few friends at oprano who will accept them no matter who they fuck, the other party has friends everywhere in the business who will do business with them because they know they won't get fucked.

1 of these parties only knows 1 way to generate traffic ... the other party knows 100's of ways. 1 of these parties could send you a few signups a day, the other a few hundred.

1 of these parties is nice guys, 1 of them pretends to be to find a way they can fuck you.

Serge, I know you are trying to make some controversy here, and I know you don't give a fuck about business anymore because you've achieved your goals. But some of us who contribute to Oprano aren't quite finished yet ... I had thought that you shared the same view of making Oprano a place where real webmasters with real business go - I must have misunderstood because here you are slagging off one of the industries most successful companies for the sake of controversy.

I guess we should stop bothering with increasing oprano's overall quality - what's the point if you send all the good webmasters we bring in packing because your friends ripped them off?

Nick and Anthony have always made their own beds - they like to earn their money quickly with as much damage to others as possible & make no secret of it. Why should the rest of us support them at the expense of losing our own potential for legitimate business?!?!

Sorry Nick & Ant, but dishonesty between family shits me. This week's quote from the handbook:

"The most important thing in your business relationships is a reputation for honesty. If you can genuinely and sincerely fake honesty, you'll be a success, never doubt it."

I'm curious about this as well........

They had on entry consoles.

Not part of any agreement.

cj,
you are a young lassie,
so I take the liberty and give you advice you can take to the bank and thank me 10-20-30-50 years from now.

There are friends, family and everybody else..
The business associates you think high of today are the scumbags of tomorrow.

At the end of the day ONLY your friends and Family are the ones you are with,
buisness associates are gone.

I have a feeling you learned a few lessons along the same lines in your young life,
but...time to use PRACTICAL applications of lessons learned.

LMK if there are points of my simple statement you do not understand and I'll elaborate

as we ssupected....
Alex is one conniving scumbag trying to preach to weak minded that his shit doesn't stink and he wasn't caught.

aparently it works on some.

so you took the entire payment and ran after sending only 15 000 hits & felt that was fair because they had an entrance console?

I wanna try this method ... it seems much easier than working for a living!

Can someone send me some money? I promise I'll send traffic ...

Vick, they weren't my sites to start with but to answer your question, yes there was and when it was brought to my attention, it was taken care of immediately. I also made an attempt to rectify the situation by offering compensation to them as I thought that would be the fair thing to do.

For the amount of traffic that Nick sent, I was ready to compensate him for 40 joins @ 25.00 per join or $1000.00 which would have been roughly a 1:75 conversion ratio for him.

Instead Nick decided to keep the entire $15k

There wasn't a written agreement per say. More of hey we will send joins but we need to be prepaid. Jason and I were new to this part of the business as the only mailings we ever did were to our canceled members.

I'm not so worried about the 15k as Nick and Anthony obviously need it more than Jason or I do. I'm just hear to state the facts and to beware if you choose to deal with these two characters.

Jason and I take part of the blame for this as well as we should of understood this part of this business more and actually ask Nick what he expects. But by the same token, for the small amount of traffic he sent, I don't believe he should have kept the entire $15k

I'm sure Nick will tell you a different story but not much I can do about that.

cj,
and who are the "industry leaders"?

(is being indited is a pre-requisit of "industry leadership"?)

your so-called "industry leaders" on the high horse of the moral principles would take the traffic from mass murderers if they can make a buck on it
;_)))

cj, and what exactly those 2 lads were doing for 7 years????

as we ssupected....
Alex is one conniving scumbag trying to preach to weak minded that his shit doesn't stink and he wasn't caught.

aparently it works on some.[/b][/quote]
Serge I can give you another saying my Dad has but the translation from Greek to English would be lost.

So we will stick with pops first saying.

cj, and what exactly those 2 lads were doing for 7 years????[/b][/quote]
What is your fucking point serge....oh boy, that is a crime sending to cancelled members of our own fucking sites...

cj, once again you gave me more credit than I deserved.

The ONLY reason for Oprano's creation, and
Meat, Aga, Nick, MikeAI, Anthony would confirm that,
I needed $5000 a month income to keep SSS, Inc afloat,
(I like to have a company for business reasons)

$2 mils Oprano has made was absolutelly unexpected and was never my goal, and neither all the nobel causes you THINk were behind it's creation.

I am at the point where I just enjoy talking to the people I like, bust the heads I don't like and I personally use Oprano as my social calender more than anything.

you are putting me on the pedestal which is not mine
;-))))

Serge I can give you another saying my Dad has but the translation from Greek to English would be lost.

So we will stick with pops first saying.[/b][/quote]
please tell your dad that Greek baklava is no comparission to Turkish one,
even though I have to admit Turks did a very good job influencing modern Greek cousine.

What is your fucking point serge....oh boy, that is a crime sending to cancelled members of our own fucking sites...[/b][/quote]
my point to cj that what she percieves as "7 years in business blah-blah-blah" is...
blah-blah-blah
;-)))))

please tell your dad that Greek baklava is no comparission to Turkish one,
even though I have to admit Turks did a very good job influencing modern Greek cousine.[/b][/quote]
Matter of opinion Serge....

Although I will say it is a close call

totally true.

so 40 times 25 a 1 in 75 conversion...

hmmm interesting....so you say we sent 3,000 hits?

Your math is amiss again.

Like when you wrote me saying I owed you 30k LOL

Well Alex - I thank you for your answer and I'm certainly not the judge in this case but I get the feeling there's probably more to the picture than meets the eye here

That being said, you can probably give up your smear campaign about Nick here. We've know Nick for years and ... we love him. He's family. Most here will take Nick's side (not that he needs it)

Most likely dragging this on here is going to damage your reputation

Sorry you couldn't work things out but Hacer la vista gorda

au contre...

Turkish one is very refined pistachio, while Greeks use barely crushed almonds and ONLY Turks serve it with kaymak
(if you ask).

Maybe you can translate the greek saying of your dad into Turkish?

I understand Turkish a little...and I am sure your dad and grand dad speak decent Turkish too
;-)))

my point to cj that what she percieves as "7 years in business blah-blah-blah" is...
blah-blah-blah
;-)))))[/b][/quote]
maybe blah blah to you, but to others Jason and I have done business with, it is a lot more than blah blah blah...

cj, and what exactly those 2 lads were doing for 7 years????[/b][/quote]
Are you serious that you don't know?!

wow, you listen to me even less than I thought ;-(

"In numbers we trust"? look a Gafi spreadsheets ... I would summarize, but you only seem to accept information you discover for yourself!

So if you give a fuck, go take a look ... if not, continue with this battle 1 armed!!!

Thanks for the advice but I doubt my reputation will be tarnished one bit....

If I had to depend on the boards for my business, I would be in trouble.

Before this even goes any further. Before we took this last agreement with JSA, we had one previous. We sent mass emails that converted for us on behalf of JSA at 1:75. The sponsor we were sending too is known for his "counting", yet we showed decent numbers. It made us wonder what our true numbers were in the first place.

Nevertheless, we entered this second agreement with JSA for more traffic.
We sent traffic, between 40 to 60k to one sponsor that got us a total of 10 signups. I kept sending even after the supposedly dropped their on entry consoles. Still abysmal signups.

Another sponsor, we sent to for about a day and a half, and that sponsor who JSA sent us too, showed us with less than 100 clicks. We found out later that they changed the linking code on us and "forgot" to tell us.

We spent money bringing online a new network with major provider, a big pipe, servers, programs, time spent getting this new network up, which I told JSA about.

I rec'd an email stating to stop sending traffic, and return money one day. Right after we spent resources and money getting a new network that we didn't need, to work the traffic wanted by JSA. Wonderful.

So, great. Now, we are supposed to eat the all the money and resources lost on clicks sent, that we got shitty conversions on due to on entrance consoles, wrong links, and now a new network.

I'm not even going into the posts about getting Nick's Home address, and the subesquent threats.

Boolsheet.



Last edited by Anthony at May 30 2004, 05:26 PM

Vick,
I know Nick like no other on this board.

When I met Nick,
it was during intercourse when ScottPB and me were actually fucking Nick from both ends, he was so honest, he didn't even see it coming.

When I met Nick,
he couldn't fuck a fly with wings torn off.

He tried to fuck me just for a pure sport of it,
it lasted 24 hours and we still laugh about it. Fucking people is NOT in his nature.

What IS in his nature,
is to fuck oen right back and with prejudice when he catches somebody fucking him.

As men we all can understand it, even if cj can't....

Just thought about it a little further and if there was money to be made in the deal you can believe Nick would be all over it,

why supposedly take 15K when you could make hundreds of thousands or even millions?

so .......

..... the numbers aren't adding up

Are you serious that you don't know?!

wow, you listen to me even less than I thought ;-(

"In numbers we trust"? look a Gafi spreadsheets ... I would summarize, but you only seem to accept information you discover for yourself!

So if you give a fuck, go take a look ... if not, continue with this battle 1 armed!!![/b][/quote]
cj,
GAFI is not my company,
my chyances looking at GAFI's books are equal of your looking at short sales interest of New York Stock Exchange 1 month before they published
;-)))

Makes perfect sense and holds true with what I know of Nick


Nick - don't ya love us all talking about you ah ha ha ha ha





Last edited by Vick at May 30 2004, 08:30 PM

The almighty Anthony has spoken....to bad you are dillusional as well and forget to mention all the emails I sent you the last 2 months and the BS you tried to have me believe....

Get a backbone Anthony.

cj, once again you gave me more credit than I deserved.

The ONLY reason for Oprano's creation, and
Meat, Aga, Nick, MikeAI, Anthony would confirm that,
I needed $5000 a month income to keep SSS, Inc afloat,
(I like to have a company for business reasons)

$2 mils Oprano has made was absolutelly unexpected and was never my goal, and neither all the nobel causes you THINk were behind it's creation.

I am at the point where I just enjoy talking to the people I like, bust the heads I don't like and I personally use Oprano as my social calender more than anything.

you are putting me on the pedestal which is not mine
;-))))[/b][/quote]
On the contrary, I wasn't giving you any credit for anything ... I was giving that credit to the others who have made oprano a valuable resource - those who have picked up where you left off.

What will you do when Oprano doesn't make you $5k per month because the people you call friends on 1 hand get sick of being backstabbed? do you have another idea ready for WHEN that happens? I'm sure you made the right choice in this argument ... Nick will be a great help! Maybe he could prepay you for traffic!

I guess I'll just wait a few weeks - Nick will be on your hit list again by then :rolleyes:

Alex,
I know Anthony PERSONALLY, along with:
his ex, his dog,
and WHY shouldn't I beleive Anthony over you whom I never met in my life or heard barely about??????

S o we actually sent 40 - 60000 not 3000.

40000 @ 75 = 533.3 joins @ 25 =13325

60000@ 75 = 800 joins @ 25 = USD 20,000

PLUS 2 days to the switched urls.

Amt Alex credited ( by his own words) $1000.00

numbers making sense now Vick.

I wonder how many people would have sent the money back to save there "rep"?

I wonder how many have?

I got fucked.

Its rare , but it happens. ;-)))


And Serge...you do know me well :)

You hit the nail right on the head.

We wanted a long term relationship, we wanted someone we could trust to send our traffic too when the situation came up.

This all started with me doing a friend a favor. Helping him broker signups. He worked for JSA and he got pushed out of the deal, totally. Once it showed from our first mailout for them to make a ton of money. Funny thing is, my buddy wanted to do the right thing, and broker signups for me, and double dip, so he told them what he was doing so he didn't feel like he was sneaking around. So much for honesty there huh? He got cut right out. I should have known there for myself what I was getting myself into.

Hell, they even tried to change the number we wanted on signups without telling me. Which I had to correct.

Fucking BS.

cj,
SSS, Inc has over 1/2 a mil in it's coffers,
more than plenty for ALL SSS, Inc needs for the next 8 years.

In 8 years I'll have to either scratch my balls again for an idea or just close the fucker after 25 glorious years in buisness
;-)))

meanwhile.....the NEXT big thing is...
The Church oif Tomorrow.

I bet you wetting your pants and dieing to know what I am talking about
;_)))

Believe what you want Serge....I could give two shits what you think about me.

I know one thing "you can tell a person character by who their friends are"

glad to know You Nick and Anthony are pals.....