http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/l...siraqinewspaper

The U.S.-led coalition in Iraq (news - web sites) on Sunday closed a newspaper sponsored by a popular anti-American Shiite cleric, accusing it of creating unrest and inciting violence against occupation forces.

Labret, when will you go to Iraq and teach them how they really should fight americans???

this is a propblem with you kids today...talk, talk, talk and no walk...
our generation knew how to die for our convictions, so should yours..

who wrote the song:
die mothefucker, die mothefucker?
;-)))

The ghetto boys I think...from the office space soundtrack. Great movie btw.

gonzo, if we don't close the board,
can you make it background music in some morons started threads?
;-)))

where in the free world is inciting violence considered OK?

in Labretville?

;-)))

it's right next to quite-joesixpackia
;-))))

What are you fucking retarded?

Do we crackdown on anti abortion groups that publish papers that advocate the killing of abortion doctors?

Do we shut down the papers of neo nazis that advocate the overthrow of the government and the death of the mud races?

This is a freedom of speech issue fuckstick.

What are you fucking retarded?

Do we crackdown on anti abortion groups that publish papers that advocate the killing of abortion doctors?

Do we shut down the papers of neo nazis that advocate the overthrow of the government and the death of the mud races?

This is a freedom of speech issue fuckstick.[/b][/quote]

America - freedom - yes.

Baghdad - freedom - no.

Ah the joys of being occupied.

possible


yes, you can't legally advocate murder and incite violence or incite others to commit murder.

you can't yell fire in a crowded movie theater. you can't put full page ads in USA Today advocating people to yell fire in a crowded movie theater.

"supporting" an idea, is not the same as telling people to go blow people up or plant bombs on the road side or shoot people.


You don't seem to understand what "Freedom of Speech" means. it does not mean you can say anything to anyone because its your God given right to do so.

Go on the radio and spend 1 hour calling me a cocksucking, motherfucking cunt, then come back and preach to me about "freedom of speech" once you get out of jail.

It's hard to believe that you brag about both education and intelligence while preaching ignorance and stupidity. Thats quite the contradiction.



Last edited by JR at Mar 29 2004, 11:02 AM

100% bullshit. I am free in this country to bundle my hatred of other groups of people in political and religious rhetoric in print and in speech. If what you said was true there would be no Klan, there would have been no Aryan Nations, there would have been no Black Panther Party. Hate speech is protected speech, I suggest you google.

What? Yet I could do it on cable and in print. Whats your fucking point? I cant cuss on the radio? Yeah, thats relevant. I also cant call in bomb threats to the post office, point is?

http://archive.aclu.org/library/pbp16.html



Last edited by [Labret] at Mar 29 2004, 11:46 AM

Oh Wise and Educated One... 8 Mile City College is failing both you and society.

There is a difference between saying "I hate all niggers" (and why or expressing opinions about "niggers") and saying "I am urging you all to go out tonight and kill as many niggers as possible."




The point, is that the law says what you can and cannot say and where you can and cannot say various things. The individual does not make that determination nor does it come from devine right, wholly from The Constitution or your own drug induced "enlightenment"



Last edited by JR at Mar 29 2004, 11:53 AM

huh? you mean the law says what is acceptable speech and what isn't?

thats sounds like something i might have said.


:rolleyes:

Soon I guess Labret will fight for the right of all Iraqies to show FIRE in a crowded mosque!

Labret the US did not go into Iraq for democracy....

"Our commitment to democracy is also tested in the Middle East, which is my focus today, and must be a focus of American policy for decades to come. In many nations of the Middle East -- countries of great strategic importance -- democracy has not yet taken root. And the questions arise: Are the peoples of the Middle East somehow beyond the reach of liberty? Are millions of men and women and children condemned by history or culture to live in despotism? Are they alone never to know freedom, and never even to have a choice in the matter? I, for one, do not believe it. I believe every person has the ability and the right to be free."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...20031106-2.html

Read the whole thing, its nothing but about bringing democracy to Iraq.

I hate arguing politics with you, I dont want my domains to somehow disappear one day.

I guess democracy in Iraq doesnt include freedom of the press.

Labret you try to have everything your way in debates. We both know what is on whitehouse.org, just like anything else from the White House is going to be POLITICAL, and thus have a spin.

The American people like to think when they fight wars they are liberating and bring democracy. ( the US has liberated more people and brought real economic and politcal reforms then any other nation - but this is an aside). We are in Iraq for OIL, STABILITY, and to fight the war on terror. If there can be some democratic movement and free markets open up, that would be nice - but its not the primary goal.

You should now better.

The big old meanie US does what it wants because it can. The US must look after its interests.

and Santa Claus brought my daughters those My Pretty Ponies every year.

*cough*Indians*cough*

Name one other country who has brought more democracy, and economic freedom then the US.

PS how can you even stand to live in a country you loath so much?? I will personally pay for any one way ticket for you to leave!

See that the problem with your kind. Loathing your governments foreign policy does not mean you hate your country.

Its true.

Labret, can you name a country which has brought democracy and free markets to more people the the US?

It is one thing to dislike certain foreign policy actions, we can all find fault in some - but its another to loath every action.

You bring up two completely unrelated issues here Labret
while 'hate' speech is protected, advocating/encouraging murder/violence is not. I know of two court cases where those who encouraged the violence were in fact prosecuted successfully.
One for the killing of a black man by skinheads
and another the killing of an outspoken jewish radio personality by some other group of guys with nothing better to do then have their brains twisted like playdough.

While I agree with your intial post, that it IS, or appears to be, fucked up what they did to that cleric............did he encourage the killing of American Soldiers?................ I disagree wholeheartedly that encouraging violence or murder is or should be accepted.


spaz :matey:

By democracy you mean installing pro-western puppet governments?

I would be more interested in seeing your list of countries that we brough a good and true democracy to. THAT I would like to see. :)

Please. The cases of Mulugetta Seraw being killed by East Side White Pride in Portland and Robert Mathews "the Orders" assassination of Alan Berg have NOTHING to do with anything we are talking about.



Last edited by [Labret] at Mar 29 2004, 01:24 PM

Please. The cases of Mulugetta Seraw being killed by East Side White Pride in Portland and Robert Mathews "the Orders" assassination of Alan Berg have NOTHING to do with anything we are talking about.[/b][/quote]
Labret, take a look at the two quotes in my earlier post.........
You'll see that those are related to the discussion at hand
or do you prefer your facts a bit more selective?


spaz :matey:

BTW, props to your knowledge of those cases. I had seen them discussed, but damned if I could have named them

Its the same tired cases everyone brings up. It proves you read an article in Teen People. Congrats.

Someone won a civil suit against Metzger and White Aryan Resistance during the skinhead paranoia of the mid 80s. Thats about all I can think of. Its been attempted a lot, it rarely succeeds. Morris Dees of the Southern Povertly Law Center is at the forefront of it all. Go to his website and steal some material for next time.

I am unaware of any lawsuits regarding speech associated with Rober Mathews or the myriad of organizations he "worked" with.



Last edited by [Labret] at Mar 29 2004, 01:36 PM

Democracy is a difficult word because it can mean so many things.

But I will throw out some countries to wrap your twisted mind on.

Japan, Germany, France, Belgium, and a few other small countries after WWII

Eastern Europe - E. Germany, Poland, etc... after cold war.

The sad part of this post is I already know you response....

Name one other country who has brought more democracy, and economic freedom then the US.

PS how can you even stand to live in a country you loath so much?? I will personally pay for any one way ticket for you to leave![/b][/quote]
For every Germany or Japan, Mikey, there are dozens of Chiles, Iraqs, Irans, Panamas ....

And how, pray tell, do you go from my questioning your naive, uneducated view of America on it's white horse liberating people all over the world to questioning my patriotism or love of country? Do you think that anyone who disagrees with your narrow-minded, bigoted, outdated ideaology of imperialism lacks patriotism? Are you so stupid as to think that anyone who questions the shell game of Iraq as part of the war on terror lacks love of country?

I despise the short sighted ignorace and stupidity exemplified by that kind of thinking not just because I don't think it's consistant with American values, but also because it is a failed policy that will not serve the long term interests of the United States. If you are too stupid to be able to understand that, or too ignorant to comprehend that failure to agree with the sohpisticated 19th century world view of Mike AI does not imply a lack of patriotism, then I pity you - because you make Meni's cut and paste tirades seem extraordinarily intellectual by comparison.

Democracy is a difficult word because it can mean so many things.

But I will throw out some countries to wrap your twisted mind on.

Japan, Germany, France, Belgium, and a few other small countries after WWII

Eastern Europe - E. Germany, Poland, etc... after cold war.

The sad part of this post is I already know you response....[/b][/quote]
France and Belguim?

We didn't bring democracy to France and Belguim, Mikey ... we liberated them from the Germans, to be sure, but they were democracies before the war.

I will have you know that I DO NOT read Teen People, I watch America Undercover (on HBO) and TDC
BAH! Teen People
I encourage you to encourage someone publically to kill another person, lets see how protected that speech is shall we?
Now that may seem flip, but it isn't, and I believe your far to educated to think that encouraging violence & murder is covered by free speech Labret


spaz :matey:

For every Germany or Japan, Mikey, there are dozens of Chiles, Iraqs, Irans, Panamas ....

And how, pray tell, do you go from my questioning your naive, uneducated view of America on it's white horse liberating people all over the world to questioning my patriotism or love of country? Do you think that anyone who disagrees with your narrow-minded, bigoted, outdated ideaology of imperialism lacks patriotism? Are you so stupid as to think that anyone who questions the shell game of Iraq as part of the war on terror lacks love of country?

I despise the short sighted ignorace and stupidity exemplified by that kind of thinking not just because I don't think it's consistant with American values, but also because it is a failed policy that will not serve the long term interests of the United States. If you are too stupid to be able to understand that, or too ignorant to comprehend that failure to agree with the sohpisticated 19th century world view of Mike AI does not imply a lack of patriotism, then I pity you - because you make Meni's cut and paste tirades seem extraordinarily intellectual by comparison.[/b][/quote]


PD you are correct when it comes to the uneveness of American foreign policy. If you would have closely read my original post you would see that I refered to the establishment of democracy and free marketsas a by-product of our Foreign Policy.

My point was the US is the only country I know whose foreign policy does include establishing democracy and free markets. I realize this is in very rare cases, but I doubt you could point to any other nation that has done it.

Sure the US has supported some scum bags, and we will continue to do so when the leaders think its in the US's best interest. Some of these actions by the US have been shameful.

My original post points out that the US in in Iraq not for democracy or free markets, but for OIL, STABILITY, and having a nice military pressence to handle further issues in the region. If there is some kind of democracy and such that comes about as a bye-product - great!

I guess the only way you have a chance in a debate is to change the focus on the debate, and try to reframe the issues.

You still never named a country who has done more to spread democracy then the US!

France and Belguim?

We didn't bring democracy to France and Belguim, Mikey ... we liberated them from the Germans, to be sure, but they were democracies before the war.[/b][/quote]


So by your logic once a country has democracy for a period of time, they are always a democracy??

Greece and Italy had democracies a long time ago.... so I guess they don't count either??

So by your logic once a country has democracy for a period of time, they are always a democracy??

Greece and Italy had democracies a long time ago.... so I guess they don't count either??[/b][/quote]
You are correct to include Greece and Italy ... although in the case of Greece, we have supported as many most distinctly non-democratic governments as we have democratic ones since the end of World War II.

My objection to including France and Belguim is so obvious that it shouldn't need explaining, but hey ... they were democracies before the German invasion. I draw a distinction between the liberation of those countries and the establishment of democracy in places like Japan.

Of couse, it is obvious from your post that you don't. That must be more evidence that I hate America, right?

You are correct to include Greece and Italy ... although in the case of Greece, we have supported as many most distinctly non-democratic governments as we have democratic ones since the end of World War II.

My objection to including France and Belguim is so obvious that it shouldn't need explaining, but hey ... they were democracies before the German invasion. I draw a distinction between the liberation of those countries and the establishment of democracy in places like Japan.

Of couse, it is obvious from your post that you don't. That must be more evidence that I hate America, right?[/b][/quote]


PD it really just matter on how you define bringing democracy and free markets.

I will cede your point about Belgium, France and other conquered nations that we freed.

However I am still waiting for you to name a country who has spread more democracy and free markets then the US?

The band Dope sings that song

http://www.dopearmy.com/index2.html

I'm pretty sure it's the ghetto boy's "still". It's the song playing when they go ballistic on the fax machine in office space.

edit - actually I'm sure now:
Back up in your ass with the Resurrection
Is the group harder than an erection
That shows more affection
They wanna ban us on Capital Hill
Cause its die muthafuckas, die muthafuckas

All along [still] it was the geto, nothing but the geto
Takin short steps one foot at a time and keep my head low
And never let go
cause if I let go, then I'll be spineless
I'm goin' INSANE!

I think my mind just goes outta control
And judge your subjects muthafuckas read about
I touch on the shit that they be leavin' out
I seen this muthafucka's .9 smokin'
I seen the same nigga with the .9 die with his eyes open
And simply what this means is
He didn't know that every dog had his day
Until he seen his
I bet you muthafuckas will too
Because its die muthafucka, die muthafucka still fool

Die muthafuckas, die muthafuckas still fool
Die muthafuckas, die muthafuckas still

[I think it's something in the water man, it's just
gotta be in the water]

Awwww Fuck! Chuck's on a killing spree again
With guillotines for men
I walk around town with a frown on my face
Fuck the whole world, fixin' to catch a murder case
The murder rate

May increase if your caught up in the world
While it's dyin', I guarentee your fryin' cause I am
On the verge of knockin' muthafuckas out for no reason
Once I get down there'll be no breathin' it seems when
Muthafuckas wanna calm down, put his palm down
Seems I gots to lay the law down
Now its on pow what you to do? I'm askin' you

Step to face I'll break your ass in two, bastard you
Rather swim in some fuckin' hot tar
Before you fuck wit Willie D cause what I got for
Your ass will make ya shit your meal
Cause it's die muthafuckas, die muthafuckas still

Chorus X4

How many niggas brought they irons tonight? [Tell me]
How many niggas wanna ride tonight? [I do]
Pick out our victims when the time is right
We get they ass up off the corner cause they dyin' tonight

Niggas be all up in my mug
But it's a different story when them muthafuckas coughing up blood
[When he died, looking in his eyes, was he as he cried]
I bust another cap in his ass and he died, time is 5

Niggas be shootin' the gif like they for real
But when it jumps, they ain't got no murder skills
So Bill just, chops 'em down, watch 'em fall
And cut they ass head to toe, jaw to jaw

But I'ma make your bitch ass holla
Cause I'ma put a hole in your head
The size of a half a dolla
[Fuck around and get your cap peeled cause this is]
Die muthafucka, die muthafucka [kill]



Last edited by aeon at Mar 29 2004, 10:34 PM

PD it really just matter on how you define bringing democracy and free markets.

I will cede your point about Belgium, France and other conquered nations that we freed.

However I am still waiting for you to name a country who has spread more democracy and free markets then the US?[/b][/quote]
Greece.

woooohoooo Greece
thats right mutherfuckers
we created democracy

what about homosexuality?

what about homosexuality?[/b][/quote]
No no, they just perfected it. Practice practice..

Serge can you tell these clowns about what Greece did?
Keep stealing from our philosophers
we created Theater
while they (FILL IN THE NATIONALITY) were living in CAVES
ok so homosexuality never existed before?
and is homosexuality bad
I've got no problem with homosexuals do you?
maybe if you are a religious fuckin bush supporter
go fuck yourselves



Last edited by Meni at Mar 30 2004, 12:52 PM

uh yeah. "we did this"... "we did that"... "we did some shit several millenia ago"

and where is the mighty Greece of yesterday today? a 4th world country trying desperately to become a 3rd world country.

i am sure that makes those nights when they can afford to go to the theater all that much sweeter.

4th world, ha ha
you are an idiot
thanks for vacationg in the greek isles
and we did still works
what did the US do?
kill the indians and take over their land
SLAVERY
fuck off dude

how much modern and exclusively Greek technology did it take to create the islands?

inquiring minds want to know.

JR here's a link
http://www.iep.utm.edu/g/greekphi.htm

ok now show me a link about your heritage
i'm 100% greek
and you are what?
show me some history girlie

Meni, i dont care about my heritage or history. I am just not that insecure about who i am to worry about it... and i certainly don't brag about it. your whole life is a big dick contenst "i fucked this stripper last night" ... "look at my big muscles" ... "so what if Greeks perfected male/male, male/boy anal sex, our beaches are better than yours"

what are you compensating for?

JR i see " " marks
find those posts by me
I quoted dig
about Greece
you insult Greece about 'inventing' homosexualy
I show GREEK PRIDE and tell you to fuck off
and I show what we have done
is that bad?
you insulted me FIRST
look at my big muscles?
I say that all the time
i'm 165 lbs dude
if i appear big, thats fuckin GREAT, that's exactly what guys want
and find the stripper i fucked last night
last night i went to a hockey game and came home alone
you insulted Greece
I stand up for my country
you don't even have a fuckin country

JR i see " " marks
find those posts by me
I quoted dig
about Greece
you insult Greece about 'inventing' homosexualy
I show GREEK PRIDE and tell you to fuck off
and I show what we have done
is that bad?
you insulted me FIRST
look at my big muscles?
I say that all the time
i'm 165 lbs dude
if i appear big, thats fuckin GREAT, that's exactly what guys want
and find the stripper i fucked last night
last night i went to a hockey game and came home alone
you insulted Greece
I stand up for my country
you don't even have a fuckin country[/b][/quote]
And here in another thread you said you were born in America. It seems your stupidity knows no bounds, meni...

i dont have a country? huh?

i dont think that anyone on this message board will argue that you have made even one coherent, intelligible or complete expression of thought since you have went on your most recent assault on the title of message board moron.

i dont care about greece.

i dont particularly care about the US. i enjoy Europe much more.

i dont particularly care about my heritage because its about as relevent in my life as caring about why dogs chase their tail. what is, is. i dont see a reason to take pride in that or be defensive about it.

you insult people, their characters and their beliefs day after day... then get offended like someone farted in the Holy Church Of Meni when someone insults you.

yeah. that makes sense.