http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/14...tion/index.html

pity....

What will be interesting is that once the socialists have power, how they will react to the terror... if they will pull out of iraq, and then try to avoid any problems in the world, then -imho- Spain have lost to the terrorists :(

Exactly....

How pitiful a country would be to give in like that. The Spanish had a long history with the moors/muslims way back in the day. Instead of backing down they should be ready to fight even more.

Western Europe has become soft.... They could not even clean up a mess in their own backyard ( Yugoslavia mess).

What other European countries have elections coming up? I will have to scratch them off my vacation list... this is sure-fire incentive for the terrorists to do the same thing in other countries.

Very good point!!!

Crediting the victory of the socialists to the terrorist attack of last week is just a lttile simplistic, don't you think?

PD I am sure you are very happy the socialist won!! You get to wave your red flag!!

Austria - President elections - 04/25/2004
European Parliament - Parliamentary elections - 06/13/2004

Other interesting dates:

Deadline for US transfer of sovereignty to Iraq - 06/30/2004
USA - Election Legislative - 11/02/2004

I plan to travel, shop, smile, enjoy life, and spread porn to the arab world on all of these dates - my personal *jihad* against donkey riding terrorists :)

Yes, how very interesting.

Instead of reacting to terror by shitting on civil liberties, empowering a conservative religious right, invading other countries, and renaming their food... the PEOPLE decided to run out those that got them in the situation to begin with. What a novel yet simple approach.

And I did read somewhere today that Spain's socialist leaders have said they will be leaving Iraq. I also just listened to some whiners on Fox say that the last time Socialists gained influence in Spain, they were largely anti American and something about them being pro Castro. That can never be good. I bet they dont even love Jesus properly.

Terrorism won, almost brings a damn tear to my eye.

Worked just like it did in Palestine circa 48 and the United States in the mid 18th century.

Stop your crying women.

PD I am sure you are very happy the socialist won!! You get to wave your red flag!![/b][/quote]
Just when I'm being kind by crediting you with the intellectual capabilities required to reach all the way up to the level of simplicity ...

fyi, the only flag I have is an American one. I had a rebel flag once, but after years of cleaning the bathroom with it, it finally fell apart.

As far as the Spanish elections go, I didn't have a horse in that race.

Labret maybe you will be more comfortable in Spain with the Socialists. They are known for their caring and understanding of people like you.

Labret maybe you will be more comfortable in Spain with the Socialists. They are known for their caring and understanding of people like you.[/b][/quote]

In the immortal words of Lil Jon, "whoooowhat?"

Live in Spain? People like me? Tell me more about me, the qualities that would make me a good Spaniard.

On one hand you will all dance around, wave your semen soaked flags, and sing about the beauties of the democratization of Iraq. And then cry when the people of Spain exercise their right to vote.

Again, and people wonder why terrorists want to kill Americans. Ill give you two good reasons, GFY and Oprano.

Damn, Mike ... how come [Labert] gets to go to Spain and I gotta go to Canada? I'd much rather go back to Spain ... it was an amazing place.

Fucking facists ...

Because you are an old bitter leftist facist in birkenstocks tightass, you will feel right at home in Canada.

no, I do not...
from the article:
"Before Thursday, the Popular Party had been favored to win by a comfortable margin"
and if you can't see the "cause and effect",
than I wonder how can you analyse ANYTHING...

Lensman unbanned you,
go spread the luv....
;-)))

...and now I know what 6 packs and Labert did in Amsterdam

http://www.amsterdampride.nl/images/witjurk.jpg

Dont hate me because I am right.

I was positive you were on the...left, the right one looks more like Gary Kremen:

http://www.amsterdampride.nl/images/witjurk.jpg

everyone loves democracy as long as they agree with the results.

See here, Mr. Graduate Student sir, the facist comment is laughable, I don't own any Birkenstocks, my ass is none of your bidnez, and bitter? You gotta be kidding me. You're the one who wants to leave the country and is cheered by the success of terrorists.

no, I do not...
from the article:
"Before Thursday, the Popular Party had been favored to win by a comfortable margin"
and if you can't see the "cause and effect",
than I wonder how can you analyse ANYTHING...[/b][/quote]
Ah, but what was the cause of the vote against the government? Was it the Mike AI/12clicks stereotype of pussy Europeans who crumble at the first sign of a threat from terrorists? Was it that the terrorist attack was viewed by people as "caused" by the involvement of the Spanish government in a war that virtually every news outlet of every persuasion I've run across have said were overwhemling opposed to? Did the attempt by the government to immediately put this off on ETA make Spaniards wonder if the government was trying to hide something?

A cause and effect analysis of an airline crash that concluded "The crash was caused by unscheduled impact with the ground" is a logical one to reach when visually viewing the remnants of an aircraft on the ground. It would also be true.

It just wouldn't mean shit.



Last edited by PornoDoggy at Mar 15 2004, 12:48 AM

I think anyone that doubts that the terrorist attack played a large part in that victory is an idiot.

"Turnout was high at 76 percent with voters seeming to express anger with the government, accusing it of provoking the Madrid attacks by supporting the U.S.-led war in Iraq, which most Spaniards opposed."

That says it all right there, folks.

The change in power has more to do with the government continuing to blame ETA for the attacks, even after arresting 3 Moroccans, finding verses of the Koran, being given a tape by Al Queda saying they did it and ETA announcing they didn't.

The state owned media stations were still blaming ETA yesterday, it's just pathetic.


Before this bombing, even though a majority of Spaniards were against sending troops into Iraq, the PP would have won the election but not comfortably, they would have had to be in a coalition, probably with the basque nationalist, like they did 8 years ago.

But because they lied, then sent riot police out after people demonstrating against them for lying, it sort of pissed the people off.

That and the fact that the out going president was not running again and the man who replaced him as leader of the PP is not that known, and has the charisma of a wet fart probably didn't help matters either



Last edited by el pres at Mar 15 2004, 03:37 AM

And in the next general election here in the UK, Blair will lose because 82% of the country was against the invasion.... what does that say then?

when is the next election in UK ?
is it next year ?

And in the next general election here in the UK, Blair will lose because 82% of the country was against the invasion.... what does that say then?[/b][/quote]
Yep, but the tories supported the war aswell,
people aren't going to vote the liberals in so he's probably safe.

He won't win as many seats as he did lastime though.

on another point.
Is the monster raving loony party still going after Lord Such topped himself?

when is the next election in UK ?
is it next year ?[/b][/quote]
Yeas it's in 2005 unless Blair calls for one early... but I doubt he will...

el pres, what do you think the socialists will do if it turns out to be islamic terrorists? Any sanctions, beside trying to get someone judged?

Yep, but the tories supported the war aswell,
people aren't going to vote the liberals in so he's probably safe.

He won't win as many seats as he did lastime though.

on another point.
Is the monster raving loony party still going after Lord Such topped himself?[/b][/quote]
I'm not sure that people will stick with Labour... Blair's become the most disliked Prime Minister since John Major.(and damn he was disliked)

I however like Blair and I'm pleased to see a Prime Minister that doesn't always bend and sway due to public opinion.... (well he didn't back then but is starting to now)

So I'm thinking it'll be the Torie's that take power, even if it's just for 4 years. Just because most people will want to show their disaproval for the invasion....


And yes the monster raving loony party is still going but they don't get the air time the got with Screaming Lord Such at the helm... :D

Sanctions, are you talking economic or something else, and against who?

Probably just let whoever did it rot in prison forever.


Not to piss off the Americans on this board but you need to remember
that when the IRA was busy bombing England, the US government used to allow them to raise money in the US.

So when you speak of sanctions against Syria or the Saudis for not crackingdown on the funding of terrorist organisations, it a bit of a double standard.


Blair seems a decent enough man, Michael Howard is just too creepy for me, like a slug.

Portillo or Clark would have been a more interesting choice.

If the flag of the Left is always red, then there can only be one flag of the Conservative Right: White.

Very very and exclusively white. <_<


... I tend to prefer a combination with some dark blue tossed in myself. :awinky:

Sanctions, are you talking economic or something else, and against who?

Probably just let whoever did it rot in prison forever.


Not to piss off the Americans on this board but you need to remember
that when the IRA was busy bombing England, the US government used to allow them to raise money in the US.

So when you speak of sanctions against Syria or the Saudis for not crackingdown on the funding of terrorist organisations, it a bit of a double standard.


Blair seems a decent enough man, Michael Howard is just too creepy for me, like a slug.

Portillo or Clark would have been a more interesting choice.[/b][/quote]
Hahahah I know what you mean about Howard :okthumb:

Clark would be my man for the job... I just can't seem to like Portillo no matter what <_<


Just to back-up El Pres here, Shin Fein managed to raise over 45 mil (might be more but these are Shin Fein's figures) in the US over a 10 year period alone.... how many bombs does that buy.... come to think of it how many Xmas bombing campaigns here in the UK did that fund?!?!?

If the flag of the Left is always red, then there can only be one flag of the Conservative Right: White.

Very very and exclusively white. <_<


... I tend to prefer a combination with some dark blue tossed in myself. :awinky:[/b][/quote]


That was a lame comment.

Sanctions, are you talking economic or something else, and against who?

Probably just let whoever did it rot in prison forever.


Not to piss off the Americans on this board but you need to remember
that when the IRA was busy bombing England, the US government used to allow them to raise money in the US.

So when you speak of sanctions against Syria or the Saudis for not crackingdown on the funding of terrorist organisations, it a bit of a double standard.


Blair seems a decent enough man, Michael Howard is just too creepy for me, like a slug.

Portillo or Clark would have been a more interesting choice.[/b][/quote]


The US allowing the IRA to raise money in the US was a very shameful thing for this country to do. I hope we learned a lesson.

It will be dissappointing to see Spain turn away from the war on terror. One thing I think Bush is 100% right on is fighting terrorists as a military problem rather then a criminal problem.

There are 2 completely different set of rules..

And THAT should win the award for the most simple-minded post ever on Oprano (or any other board).

Pd, your mentality and comprehension are going down that 'slippery slope' at an ever-increasing rate...Have another drink!

Why would I say that? Last week, before the terrorist bombing, the Socialists had no chance at all.

And THAT should win the award for the most simple-minded post ever on Oprano (or any other board).

Pd, your mentality and comprehension are going down that 'slippery slope' at an ever-increasing rate...Have another drink!

Why would I say that? Last week, before the terrorist bombing, the Socialists had no chance at all.[/b][/quote]
Well, Torone, no one can possibly question your ability to recognize simple-minded (unless one assumes that you don't read your own posts).

I did not say the terrorist attack was unrelated to the election results. If you'd read the thread you would see that later I elaborated on what I meant - and el pres brought up one of the same points I did. I don't think it was a reaction of fear of further terrorist strikes. I'd be very suprised if the socialists make substantial changes to Spanish policy after the attacks, in spite of their pre-election rhetoric (which became more muted as the campaign wore on).

In a democracy, governments that embark on wars against the will of the people, then get caught in a blatant attempt to divert attention/shift blame for a disaster, tend to fall.

That was a lame comment.[/b][/quote]
LOL! Where as yours was so glib and erudite, I suppose?

The US allowing the IRA to raise money in the US was a very shameful thing for this country to do. I hope we learned a lesson.

It will be dissappointing to see Spain turn away from the war on terror. One thing I think Bush is 100% right on is fighting terrorists as a military problem rather then a criminal problem.

There are 2 completely different set of rules..[/b][/quote]
The trouble is, dragging iraq into the war on terror was always questionable, and with there not being any WMD found, people began to question it even more.

There were other factors behind the US led invasion of Iraq, but are they for the good of the world or just the USA?

Spain has got troops in Afganistan, you've even got the French hunting for Bin Laden in Afganistan, because it's something that people can understand, it's not based on facts that keep changing.

Has Spain turned its back on the war on terror, nope just questioned a part of it they don't really understand, like most of the world.