http://www.hotchickpost.com/fullscreenie.jpg


http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.p...threadid=206162

ooch, thats gonna leave a mark.

Not to smart.....


Can you hear the banners being yanked down now??

The REALLY sad bit is that this program "unshaved" doesn't seem to be able to do 500 joins a mth.

Thats assuming this page as the majority , and seeing it is the totals for JUne - Sept.

something doesnt add up in those stats
joins show and joins doesnt equal to payout, brought, dif
at $35/join

someone else do the same and tell me what brought and diff mean.

How many times do people need to see PIBCash slammed for shaving before they take the hint?

"Hits shown" and "joins shown"... that just pisses me off. I know there's shaving but christ...

Slav they don't pay a flat $35 per join, it's "dependant" and "up to" $35 per join; so that might be what you're seeing.

Fucking eh...

If you're gonna shave, at least do it fairly....

Id 197 has 32 actual joins (22 shown) but has 38 combined credits and chargebacks but gets a payout anyway... same kind of thing in ID 173...

But there are several others who got shaved big time with no credits or chargebacks...

so basically, they are stealing from the guys sending good traffic with solid joins to pay folks for shit traffic that gets canceled.....

:headwall: :headwall: :headwall:

hahaha

Fletch.

I just realized that account 72 is mine....

Should I demand my money I was ripped off??

looks like you owe them some money bro!

edit: nm: think i read it wrong

hahaha



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Dec 8 2003, 06:17 PM

Damn Mike....

68 joins from 220 join hits... damn boy, you're converting at 30%...

fucking excellent....


:okthumb:

ahh.. just a modest 33% shave.....


that just sucks large....

:grrr:

I was looking at the stats thinking "it looks like the shaver kicks in on the 3rd join", didn't bother running numbers.

I've been told there's a certain sponsor (who doesn't have an "E" in their name, LOL) that's got the razor set at 40%.

ACK - Mike how do you like seeing your TRUE numbers?

I was looking at the stats thinking "it looks like the shaver kicks in on the 3rd join", didn't bother running numbers.

I've been told there's a certain sponsor (who doesn't have an "E" in their name, LOL) that's got the razor set at 40%.

ACK - Mike how do you like seeing your TRUE numbers?[/b][/quote]


I expect to be shaven some.... 10-15% But 33% is outragous....

The numbers keep going down across the board, at least with traffic I send to other programs. I know my traffic, I know how it does on PureCash and with our girl sites.

If PIB sent me the difference and kept the 10-15% I would be ok with it.

Think I have a shot?

I think you have as much of a shot at getting your money back as I have getting your money back, LOL

Can you confirm for us that in *your* stats you see only 46 joins for that period?

Mike if in fact your id is in that screen shot and you show discepancys can you please verify this over there, you know where :rokk:

Holy crap. Your id is shown. I doubt it is manufactured then.

Another account ID on there belongs to someone who works with me at Jason&Alex (ID 68).

We have had problems with PIBCash before... we trusted them with an email list of our cancelled members and they sold to Dice (topdog) which then resold it several times over.

They are cheats and i'm glad to see them go.



Last edited by JSA Matt at Dec 8 2003, 07:02 PM

well, since #1 belongs to PIB, it is nice to see they are fair across the board.

lmao - well ya know you've gotta have something to throw up when you get caught.
"Hey it's part of the software, we had nothing to do with it - look it's even doing it to our own accounts!"
Shaving yourself is pretty funny - you get the money anyway :)

A response on GFY from "sixpack":

Yeah give me a second, have to e-mail Stan. They don't give me passwords for anything important! :lol:

OK we have a problem, because you cannot run stats like this screen shot shows. Apparently affiliates can only run monthly not total stats. So it would be hard to show same numbers.

I have screen shots for November and December, they don't show anything - but I can post them if need be.

Just add up your joins for June, July, August and tell us what you get (since in the screenshot there's only 4 days counted in September).

Sorry to be asking you how many joins you've gotten, but you're the only person who has stepped up and claimed an account on the screenshot.

Stan is looking around, and noticed this:

Makes you wonder when and why they took out this feature....

I have a few ideas....

Interesting ICQ I just got:

pornisbad.com isn't allowing registration , and my old nick is banned hahah

from a friend

Could be beating a deal horse but this is from Stan:

So it seems stats have been disabled somewhat. This is enough for me to pull down links.

I agree.

Could someone explain to me what the Conv. and Brought columns are supposed to be? Conv definitely isn't conversion ratio, and I have no idea what "brought" is... how much money those joins brought in (via upsells etc)?

Just sat and ran some numbers randomly and everyone I checked is getting paid $30 per signup. Wonder how high you have to be post-shave before you hit $35. :D

Brought is the total $$$ the signups made incl. rebills so far. Conversions is rebills
Thats how I read it.



Finally got a post so I don´t have to keep signing up :D

Brought is real amt. Payout is how much of that they are paying out. Diff is the net amount made off each shave.

Posting this for free is stupid. I would have blackmailed them over it.

:bwave:
Hey Keyser!
Enjoying your Red vs. Blue DVD? Got mine about a week ago :okthumb:

Conv. = rebills make sense, still looking funny at the 'brought' column though.

Things still aren't adding up for me in the "brought" column, unless it's also taking out processing fees? And even with 17% processing fees it's still not coming out right.

Take the first guy... 333 signups @ $35 ea = $11655.
(He's one of the few getting paid $35.)

How do they go from $11655 to $7609.27 ? That's a difference of $4045.73.

I feel like I'm missing something really simple here.

I think the brought column may be the sales dollars brought in from those sales...

From one of their sites:
"There is NO CHARGE for the initial 30 minute preview. If not cancelled within 30 minutes, you will be charged $5.00, for a 1 Day trial membership.
Thereafter, you will be billed $40.00 every 1 Month Until Cancelled. "

So, if most of the sites are set up like this, there could ba combination of joins that canceled straight out, got billed $5.00 and got billed 40 which would add up to an odd number that would be hard to work backward to.

Don't have a clue where the odd cents would come from though.... :unsure:

Sucks to be them. Really.

What if the 'proof' is manufactured and they don't shave a single hit? Their rep is gone, and MANY webmasters simply stop promoting them, all because of very easily editable picture.

Also, very hard to prove they did or didn't shave. nasty.

I'm just lucky I don't promote them so I don't really have to give it another thought. :) :headwall: