All the while, CEO Bob Friedland berating his contract girls for their lack of professionalism while twice in the past five days, Bob has sent out a private email to his contract girls to the Jill Kelly Productions Yahoo group, which has thousands of members. Then JKP has the chutzpah to ask me to remove their memos from my site.

http://www.setgo.com/article.html?id=404dc...a47487d1483e48a

everybody who gives a fuck raise your hands!

what's chutzpah?

sounds jewish...
did you only raise your hand to ask that question or because you give a fuck?

i didn't raise my hand ...

i had to look that up

aggressive boldness or unmitigated effrontery

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=chutzpah

wow, luke ford just made us learn something ....

Then be sure to quit while you're ahead, read his article and it'll cost you two IQ points ;-)

Then be sure to quit while you're ahead, read his article and it'll cost you two IQ points ;-)[/b][/quote]
:okthumb:

i have never seen much evidence that people in online porn seem to know much about or care about all the drama, BS and players in mainstream porn.

i skip it all if i read Lukes site because there is nothing there that pertains directly to the biz we are in - which strung out, Bukkake Queen, junky that put a bullet in her brain this week, what psychotic drug dealer/schizophrenic idiot can't run his own video distribution business and gene ross and what he is doing with his spare time, does not interest me in the slightest.

am i the only one?

JR, I was about to post something similar...

Adult DVD production is completely irrelevant to our e-commerce business and I could care less about the fuckups a bunch of coke addicts make in their private lifes.

Most English people would pronouonce it hootspa... but I believe Jewish people pronounce it differently (and correctly)

i've heard hootspa before, and now that makes more sense to me
chutzpah sounds more like a medical condition Duke has


JR, me too i never cared much about the happenings of the mainstream porn slangers. Their biz doesnt effect me much. But they are interesting to fallow for new upcoming trends that eventually make it online.

After reading a months worth of Luke's coulumns you begin to wonder if anyone in mainstream porn has any sense.

I would like to think that we could use my posts as opportunities to open our hearts and our minds to a wider world, to learn to love people different from us...

You highly overrate your columns obviously.............

:yowsa:

Timon,

I find this "mainstream porn" drama tittilating. Up to a point. Then I get disgusted with myself for paying any attention to it.

Kind of like the Forest drama.

In fact you could say this

"Adult DVD production (or Forest for that matter) is completely irrelevant to our e-commerce business and I could care less about the fuckups (or Forest for that matter) a bunch of coke addicts (or pot-head Forest for that matter) make in their private lifes.

Yeah I find most video production people to be idiots. They have their thing they do, most are more concerned about getting high, laid, and living the porn lifestyle then real business.

They came to the net late, most of them are still doing a terrible job ( thank goodness)... in reality they have been passed by, and will eventually be replaced by internet firms.

Look at the series the bangbus people do, nasty dollars and such - this is much better porn then the video people shoot. More cutting edge... it is the future.

Of course Hustler, Vivid and the top companies are well run - but the rest just "play like they are real companies" There is no professionality at all. ( even worse then the internet side)

Mike, I like you and admire your opinion.

But I'm tempted to say "How the fuck do you know?" after reading this post.

Bangbus is not original- done years and years ago. Ed Powers did the reality bit with Bus Stop Tales, Stagliano did it, Jamie Gillis, etc, etc.

You call this cutting edge? What exactly is cutting edge about it? Cheap locations, cheap set ups, same repetitive formula? And let's not forget the comedic banter- real hot!

These reality sites today bite all the original adult video ideas. In fact, there are no new ideas. Have you viewed all porn ever produced and then expressed you omnipotence?

I agree to a certain extent with some of what you are saying, but who are you talking about in particular? Have you met with all the video companies? Which ones did you find unprofessional and why? Who are the idiots?

How do I know? I have been a fan and consumer of porn since I was 15... I have also had exposure and have been working with the LA based video porn people for the past year. I have seen them operate firt hand.

It used to be funny to watch all these guys prance around, puffing their chests out, babbling on about inane things...

Ed Powers, and all the other original gonzo people are good - but what have they done lately? Who do you think had made more money the past 2 years? Ed Powers? or BangBus guys?

It is not the content that I am refering to, its the marketing, the business techniques, and such....

I have met Ed... and while I am a big fan, and I promote the hell out of his site because it converts very well... I promise you my net worth is higher then his ( even with Ken running his website and probably helping his bottom line out a lot).... yet I started in porn decades after him...

Wonder why that is?

Internet people, those who understand the technology, the business plans, are cutting edge are MUCH better to deal with then the old school porn establishment in LA....

Where does homegrown fit into this equation?

Oh and Moffit, I am not going to name names....

While I may think they are idiots, behind the times, and out of touch - I still have to work with these dinosaurs! :D

Like I said, I agree with most of what you said. I just take issue (without seeming too defensive) with people that make generalizations.

But perhaps you have enough 1st hand knowledge. Maybe you can regale me with a few tales at Internext. :biglaugh:

The main point is that we hope they (video guys) do not figure out the net because we do not need their avalance of content adding to the glut.

chutzpah = BALLS :)

got chutzpah?

Moffit, generalizations are not 100% accurate....

I have met some very talented people in the video side of the business. Buts its a pretty tight hierachy.... hard for people to really break out on their own.

I agree with this.... having more content out is not the problem, having them open up programs and such is... :P