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softball 04-23-2008 11:27 AM
An observation on the current business...
 
I have noticed in the past few months on various boards...including Oprano, that there is a chill in the air. There is a lot of bickering over small issues and small sums. There is a lot of finger pointing at ex "partners" for various problems, failures, and scams. There is wave of insults and attempts to trash people's businesses (competition?). And there are a lot of cash programme failures, or businesses on the market at some very "attractive" prices. There seems to be a war in the content world with big undercutting sales. All in all a malaise in the porn world.
When anyone mentions the "downturn" in the economy, there are the usual "I'm kicking ass this month" responses, and maybe some are. However, more and more are agreeing. The specter of tube sites is everywhere. The same people that are bitching about them on one board, are asking for advice on how to start one or monetize them on another.
All in all it ain't pretty. For the first time ever, it kind of feels that the market is very, very oversold and there is a frenzy of panic.
This might be a little colourful, but I do feel a chill in the air.

gonzo 04-23-2008 11:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rhetorical (Post 811492)
I have noticed in the past few months on various boards...including Oprano, that there is a chill in the air. There is a lot of bickering over small issues and small sums. There is a lot of finger pointing at ex "partners" for various problems, failures, and scams. There is wave of insults and attempts to trash people's businesses (competition?). And there are a lot of cash programme failures, or businesses on the market at some very "attractive" prices. There seems to be a war in the content world with big undercutting sales. All in all a malaise in the porn world.
When anyone mentions the "downturn" in the economy, there are the usual "I'm kicking ass this month" responses, and maybe some are. However, more and more are agreeing. The specter of tube sites is everywhere. The same people that are bitching about them on one board, are asking for advice on how to start one or monetize them on another.
All in all it ain't pretty. For the first time ever, it kind of feels that the market is very, very oversold and there is a frenzy of panic.
This might be a little colourful, but I do feel a chill in the air.
Sit back and enjoy the ride!
I am.

Toby 04-23-2008 12:36 PM
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I think the observation is more or less accurate. There is definitely a thinning of the herd taking place, and not just in the adult biz.

Some will depart gracefully, others will go down in flames, and there's always some trying to find a way to make a quick buck on other's misfortune.

helix 04-23-2008 02:05 PM
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As the profit margins get tight, the business's that run a tight ship will survive. The business's that employ a fast and sloppy business plan will die off, be absorbed, sell out etc..

Fresh from GFY
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=823774

miz_wright 04-23-2008 03:14 PM
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I'm laothe to blame something like tube sites - for a lot of reasons, but primary among them is that every time there are economic uncertainties in the broader market, there are a few things that happen:

1) Shoppers begin looking more often at deep-discount items,
2) Small business owners have a harder time staying afloat,
3) Credit begins to tighten. and
4) Marktes as a whole contract and consolodate.

Why should adult be any different? and most everything that you mention (backbiting, etc) are very common when times are tight. And a lot fo the things I am seeing mentioned here I think are strongly attributable to the larger economic picture. It's tough to justify paying for porn when you're looking at paying $40 to fill an economy car - and much, much more if you drive anything with horsepower - and you are looking down the barrel of a tightening job market.

softball 04-23-2008 03:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by helix (Post 811505)
As the profit margins get tight, the business's that run a tight ship will survive. The business's that employ a fast and sloppy business plan will die off, be absorbed, sell out etc..

Fresh from GFY
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=823774
Interesting thread.....

gonzo 04-23-2008 03:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rhetorical (Post 811514)
Interesting thread.....
Traffic matters. Lets see how much it matters to some of Freeones sponsors.

MRock 04-23-2008 03:30 PM
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Fuck it ... I'm expanding! :yowsa: It's never as bad as it's made out to be (the economy), and it's ony "bad" until another fiasco happens for some more sensational coverage. Here is an honest disclosure: Had a few more chargebacks than usual this month, but my sales are steady or up on all of my little gumball machines .... :okthumb: The coolest thing about being amateur is that it's just us, no partners or investors to answer to. The fray you refer is amusing and I'm gonna take a seat next to Gonzo to watch.

softball 04-23-2008 03:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MRock (Post 811516)
Fuck it ... I'm expanding! :yowsa: It's never as bad as it's made out to be (the economy), and it's ony "bad" until another fiasco happens for some more sensational coverage. Here is an honest disclosure: Had a few more chargebacks than usual this month, but my sales are steady or up on all of my little gumball machines .... :okthumb: The coolest thing about being amateur is that it's just us, no partners or investors to answer to. The fray you refer is amusing and I'm gonna take a seat next to Gonzo to watch.
Good luck to you.....the sand is just around the corner. You will recognize it by the number of guys with their heads buried in the pile.
I never said it was catastrophic, but there is a huge economic problem in the world at the moment. If Walmart is feeling it, everyone is feeling it.

gonzo 04-23-2008 03:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rhetorical (Post 811517)
...there is a huge economic problem in the world at the moment. If Walmart is feeling it, everyone is feeling it.
:-pearl:

Forest 04-23-2008 03:59 PM
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Gonzo you fucking piece of shit you owe me a box of KK

Ill get you and your little dog too

gonzo 04-23-2008 05:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest (Post 811521)
Gonzo you fucking piece of shit you owe me a box of KK

Ill get you and your little dog too
You dont eat no KK any more Mr Egg White Omlette!

Forest 04-23-2008 05:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 811524)
You dont eat no KK any more Mr Egg White Omlette!
darn foiled again

=(

bluemoney 04-23-2008 07:35 PM
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"I'm kicking ass this month" :D

softball 04-23-2008 08:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LizAEBN (Post 811513)
I'm laothe to blame something like tube sites - for a lot of reasons, but primary among them is that every time there are economic uncertainties in the broader market, there are a few things that happen:

1) Shoppers begin looking more often at deep-discount items,
2) Small business owners have a harder time staying afloat,
3) Credit begins to tighten. and
4) Marktes as a whole contract and consolodate.

Why should adult be any different? and most everything that you mention (backbiting, etc) are very common when times are tight. And a lot fo the things I am seeing mentioned here I think are strongly attributable to the larger economic picture. It's tough to justify paying for porn when you're looking at paying $40 to fill an economy car - and much, much more if you drive anything with horsepower - and you are looking down the barrel of a tightening job market.
But porn is "recession proof".....lol
BTW, if you know anyone that needs a job, there is a huge labour shortage in Western Canada. Some businesses have gone under because they can't get staff. There are help wanted signs all over Vancouver and construction cranes everywhere. If you can hold a hammer you are working. However,its the American economy that unfortunately makes up a huge per centage of our business.

softball 04-23-2008 08:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bluemoney (Post 811529)
"I'm kicking ass this month" :D
Sorry....I am a little deef....you say you got your ass kicked this month?

bluemoney 04-23-2008 08:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rhetorical (Post 811534)
Sorry....I am a little deef....you say you got your ass kicked this month?
Yes! . . . . .

You are most defiantly “deef”

softball 04-23-2008 10:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bluemoney (Post 811535)
Yes! . . . . .

You are most defiantly “deef”
Sorry, I couldn't here you. Would you mind speaking up?

DannyCox 04-23-2008 10:36 PM
Re: An observation on the current business...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by helix (Post 811505)
As the profit margins get tight, the business's that run a tight ship will survive. The business's that employ a fast and sloppy business plan will die off, be absorbed, sell out etc..

Fresh from GFY
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=823774
I just read through this thread and I can't believe the sheep just falling in line. Freeones wants everyone to pay them 70% because they are feeling the crunch....talk about short sighted idiots! Right there is your "fast and sloppy business plan", a company that just bounces really shit traffic around trying to dictate percentages to the sponsors they use to pay their bills. But the sad thing is, many of the sheep will fall for it. Not only are the sponsors working with a weak dollar, they will be get even less of it, and many think it's just fine.

Years ago, when the boys were swinging their dicks around, showing off about who could pay out more, and raising RevShare to 50%, I thought they were just plain crazy. It made no business sense whatsoever. Now we're hitting on 70% pay-outs! Madness, and a fully failing business model.

softball 04-23-2008 10:41 PM
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Quote:
But the sad thing is, many of the sheep will fall for it.
But Danny, that is just business. From what I saw, they will get what they want. Personally, I don't give a shit. They will be the first adopters of this, and ultimately it will kill the golden goose. However, many will make a killing out of adversity, and these guys are really fucking smart. But they have the converting traffic.

DannyCox 04-23-2008 10:47 PM
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They don't really have converting traffic at all, they just manipulate a lot of it well. They throw enough at a program in hopes that some will stick. You'll get lots of traffic, but the conversion ratios are low. Lots of blinds and old fashioned circle jerk stuff.

But as I mentioned, they will get what they ask for as the sheep over at the zoo will just fall in line. A smart program would call them on it, and probably are in private. As we all know, real business is never done on the boards.

softball 04-23-2008 10:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyCox (Post 811544)
They don't really have converting traffic at all, they just manipulate a lot of it well. They throw enough at a program in hopes that some will stick. You'll get lots of traffic, but the conversion ratios are low. Lots of blinds and old fashioned circle jerk stuff.

But as I mentioned, they will get what they ask for as the sheep over at the zoo will just fall in line. A smart program would call them on it, and probably are in private. As we all know, real business is never done on the boards.
Shit I do all my business on the boards.....lol......
I do think, like I said, the first adopters will do ok. Its like the price of gasoline. They send it up to a buck thirty seven a liter and then we all think a buck twenty is a bargain. It is freeking altered reality. Sorry about the metric for our American friends, but gallons don't mean a lot to me anymore.

But I do think they crossed some lines. The good news is, a lot of people are going to disappear in the next six months and what is going to replace them will not be as good. I have never really thought that until now.

helix 04-23-2008 11:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyCox (Post 811544)
They don't really have converting traffic at all, they just manipulate a lot of it well. They throw enough at a program in hopes that some will stick. You'll get lots of traffic, but the conversion ratios are low. Lots of blinds and old fashioned circle jerk stuff.

But as I mentioned, they will get what they ask for as the sheep over at the zoo will just fall in line. A smart program would call them on it, and probably are in private. As we all know, real business is never done on the boards.
As the "sheep" knuckle under we will witness the thinning of the herd. Culling of the weak and feeble will be a good thing for the industry. Too many substandard paysites and unsustainable tube business models eating at the customer base for too long. I think this is just the beginning. We have already seen some consolidation and some absorption of minor sites to flesh out the niches of the smarter, bigger, well managed sites, ie DeeCash. I really think we will see a huge turnover and churning in the industry in the next few months. It will make for an interesting show for sure.

DragonKing 04-24-2008 02:56 AM
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Chicken Little Rears His Little Ugly Head
Once Again ....


He makes more Cameos in this business than Puffy in a Bad Boy Video.

miz_wright 04-24-2008 08:55 AM
Re: An observation on the current business...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhetorical (Post 811533)
But porn is "recession proof".....lol
BTW, if you know anyone that needs a job, there is a huge labour shortage in Western Canada. Some businesses have gone under because they can't get staff. There are help wanted signs all over Vancouver and construction cranes everywhere. If you can hold a hammer you are working. However,its the American economy that unfortunately makes up a huge per centage of our business.
*cracks up at "recession proof"*

Sure, it's a lagging indicator, but if people simply have got less money to spend (and let's face it: stateside, they do, and according to global market news, it's affecting other markets as well - much like the Japanese econ explosion back in '98 blew up Asia and Europe) - they are certainly going to prioritise where it's going. Teh pr0ns are going to be down that list a bit, typically.

I mean, I'm less willing to go out and buy the new issue of Club when my econobox takes $50 to fill with petrol, is all I'm sayin'.

gonzo 04-24-2008 08:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LizAEBN (Post 811572)
*cracks up at "recession proof"*

Sure, it's a lagging indicator, but if people simply have got less money to spend (and let's face it: stateside, they do, and according to global market news, it's affecting other markets as well - much like the Japanese econ explosion back in '98 blew up Asia and Europe) - they are certainly going to prioritise where it's going. Teh pr0ns are going to be down that list a bit, typically.

I mean, I'm less willing to go out and buy the new issue of Club when my econobox takes $50 to fill with petrol, is all I'm sayin'.
We discuss all these issues at the safety meeting.

gonzo 04-24-2008 09:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyCox (Post 811544)
They don't really have converting traffic at all, they just manipulate a lot of it well. They throw enough at a program in hopes that some will stick. You'll get lots of traffic, but the conversion ratios are low. Lots of blinds and old fashioned circle jerk stuff.

But as I mentioned, they will get what they ask for as the sheep over at the zoo will just fall in line. A smart program would call them on it, and probably are in private. As we all know, real business is never done on the boards.
Ahhhh Danny Cox wise man!
Why programs allow affiliates to dictate their business model is beyond me.
70% rev share --- only a MORON would give that away instead of going out and buying their own traffic.

I think affilaites got into this habit back with all the rules you had to follow to get your TGP listed with some of the post owners.

They lose sight of the fact that a post owner is there to make THEMSELVES money FIRST and anyone else DEAD LAST.

Toby 04-24-2008 10:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 811574)
...They lose sight of the fact that a post owner is there to make THEMSELVES money FIRST and anyone else DEAD LAST.
As Tommy says, "1 for them, 2 for me." :okthumb:

softball 04-24-2008 11:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DragonKing (Post 811556)
Chicken Little Rears His Little Ugly Head
Once Again ....


He makes more Cameos in this business than Puffy in a Bad Boy Video.
I had a feeling this post too would reappear. However, this is a different situation than previous sky crashing situations. The US economy will prolly never recover its total dominance thanks to the last 8 years of breath taking spending. The dollar is weaker than its been in decades....if ever. Gas prices are approaching the scary numbers of the gas "crisis" of the 70's. All that is left to put the icing on the cake is inflation. I recall when the price of butter tripled in a month.
This time chicken little has a few more arrows in his quiver. The previous doomsayers were more worried about free porn and 2257 which was always a non starter in my books and I posted pretty much what you just said, DK. But there are bigger influences at work today. I don't think everything is going to crash and burn for everybody, but the heady days are over. The "soft" landing has arrived and this time, those who don't have good traffic and good product are facing some serious problems (I have always hated challenge as a euphemism).
So I don't think this is necessarily an "end of the world" observation, but times are not as optimistic and opportunities not as easily available, and yes only the strong will survive. You see I do believe in Darwin.

softball 04-25-2008 02:27 PM
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Banner Headline in my local paper today was World Wide Food Crisis. Here is a bit of the article....
Quote:
Soaring prices on everything from food to gasoline walloped consumers Thursday as the Bank of Canada warned of weaker economic growth to come -- new evidence the U.S. recession has deepened and is dragging down other sectors of the economy as it continues to slide.
Basic food items are becoming more scarce and the price of those commodities is soaring, matched only by the rapid increase in the cost of gasoline. Food shortages, hoarding by producing countries and a pernicious cycle of energy prices driving up production costs are only making the situation worse.
Maple Leaf Foods Inc., one of Canada's largest food processors, reported a loss on Thursday due to soaring costs for grain used in its bakeries and hog barns.
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"These are stunningly, stunningly challenging and unique times," chief executive Michael McCain told shareholders at the company's annual meeting.
"The world is embroiled with absorbing the implications of the simple truth that food will be considerably more expensive, well into the future," he said.
Food riots have spread from Haiti to Thailand and panic buying has even hit North America -- Wal-Mart has imposed rice rationing in the United States because of shrinking supplies and Bruce Cran, president of the Consumers Association of Canada, said he was told that store shelves were being emptied of rice in British Columbia.
This state of fear is what is fueling Chicken Little and this time we all have to deal with it.

Rcourt64 04-25-2008 02:46 PM
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The "I hope his dick still gets hard again tomorrow" sales strategies is
what your fuckers need to be looking at, not what the price of rice is...:doh01:

Robert 04-25-2008 03:15 PM
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Nitwit....

miz_wright 04-25-2008 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rcourt64 (Post 811686)
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The "I hope his dick still gets hard again tomorrow" sales strategies is
what your fuckers need to be looking at, not what the price of rice is...:doh01:

He'll be yankin' his crank tomorrow, regardless. The question is: does he pay for the spank bank, or grab something free?

When the decision comes down between food or petrol, fewer will say "Oh, I'll totally shell out for the new PornStar Update."

'm pretty sure that was his point. But I may be mistaken.

Rcourt64 04-25-2008 03:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LizAEBN (Post 811690)
He'll be yankin' his crank tomorrow, regardless. The question is: does he pay for the spank bank, or grab something free?

When the decision comes down between food or petrol, fewer will say "Oh, I'll totally shell out for the new PornStar Update."

'm pretty sure that was his point. But I may be mistaken.
I'm sorry Liz, :( I disagree.

Addictions comes first before the kids eat in this country. :salute:

EmporerEJ 04-28-2008 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rcourt64 (Post 811686)
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The "I hope his dick still gets hard again tomorrow" sales strategies is
what your fuckers need to be looking at, not what the price of rice is...:doh01:
Spelling, grammar, and sentence structure, should also be high on the list.

Rcourt64 04-29-2008 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by EmporerEJ (Post 812045)
Spelling, grammar, and sentence structure, should also be high on the list.
We don't need to know how to spell, we just gotta know how to drive trucks :okthumb:

miz_wright 04-29-2008 08:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EmporerEJ (Post 812045)
Spelling, grammar, and sentence structure, should also be high on the list.
Oh, come now, EJ: Don't let's be ridiculous.

Rcourt64 04-29-2008 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by LizAEBN (Post 812068)
Oh, come now, EJ: Don't let's be ridiculous.
See, your learning, I'll have your tomboy premadonna ass trained in no time. :okthumb:

gonzo 04-29-2008 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Rcourt64 (Post 812076)
See, your learning, I'll have your tomboy premadonna ass trained in no time. :okthumb:
How much will you pay for this video on Liz dancing?

Rcourt64 04-29-2008 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 812082)
How much will you pay for this video on Liz dancing?
Depends on what shes wearing while dancing ;)


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