Originally Posted by Peaches

Well...you already know MY opinions on this but I'll share them with the peanut gallery:

When you take an 18 year old girl and put her in something that someone YOUNGER than 18 would wear or put her in an environment that someone YOUNGER than 18 years old would be in, you've not crossed a legal line, just a moral one to ME. But we know I'm the prude in the biz.

18 year old girls do everything they can to look older in real life, not younger. Ergo, you're not portraying a true 18 year old by putting her comic inspired Underoos. That's what 10 year old girls wear and young boys wear.

By putting a technically legal 18 year old in clothing that depicts her as under 18, ergo illegal, I think you're crossing dangerous lines. Ditto with the wearing of the kids Halloween costumes and posting on playgrounds - again something REAL 18 year old girls wouldn't be caught dead doing.

Go to any mall and look at the 18 year olds. They are trying to look 24, not 12. Yet you are filming them in cartoon character underoos - little boy ones at that.

But once again, I am not your target demographic - men who want to see girls that are technically legal but are dressed as children are ;)

I fully expect to be in the minority here :)

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

And I could give a rat's ass what an 18-24 year old wears to the mall. What I care about is what might make a guy sitting at home surfing the internet get interested enough to pull out his credit card

Originally Posted by Peaches

As Nick once said "I have all the morals I can afford." :)

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Now they dont make these for girls, or at least we couldnt' find them. Adult male undies are too large. So we get boys undies

Originally Posted by Peaches

One might ask themselves why comic book Underoos AREN'T sold in the department that caters to 18 year old girls :okthumb:

(this has been an ongoing discussion that HP and I disagree strongly on, in case no one's noticed ;) )

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Please pay attention, I'm not marketing to 18 year old girls.

Originally Posted by Peaches

You're marketing 18 year old girls. Ergo you should dress them in items 18 year old girls wear - not what children wear.

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

We're selling fantasy.

Originally Posted by Peaches

Keeping quiet about who this fantasy appeals to before you get pissed enough to hack into my electric account and I end up with a million dollar bill ;)

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

In this case, comic book fans.

Originally Posted by Peaches

Deleted what I was going to say - I value the lives of the pugs ;)

We'll agree to 110% totally and completely disgree on this.

Next thing you know, you'll be telling me it makes no sense to make "to do" lists.........:scratchin

Originally Posted by Peaches

Well...you already know MY opinions on this but I'll share them with the peanut gallery:

When you take an 18 year old girl and put her in something that someone YOUNGER than 18 would wear or put her in an environment that someone YOUNGER than 18 years old would be in, you've not crossed a legal line, just a moral one to ME. But we know I'm the prude in the biz.

18 year old girls do everything they can to look older in real life, not younger. Ergo, you're not portraying a true 18 year old by putting her comic inspired Underoos. That's what 10 year old girls wear and young boys wear.

By putting a technically legal 18 year old in clothing that depicts her as under 18, ergo illegal, I think you're crossing dangerous lines. Ditto with the wearing of the kids Halloween costumes and posting on playgrounds - again something REAL 18 year old girls wouldn't be caught dead doing.

Go to any mall and look at the 18 year olds. They are trying to look 24, not 12. Yet you are filming them in cartoon character underoos - little boy ones at that.

But once again, I am not your target demographic - men who want to see girls that are technically legal but are dressed as children are ;)

I fully expect to be in the minority here :)

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

In this case, comic book fans..

Originally Posted by Peaches

Yipee! ONE other person agrees with me :)

(and no, I'm not stuffing the ballot box....)

Originally Posted by Jace

as long as it is solely for the novelty of wearing underoos

My wife went through too many shoots with fucking perverts that wish she had been 14....from the pig tails to the 12 years old underwear...NEVER again...no offense to those that like that shit, but if you like to see girls in pigtails and wearing underwear that is for 10-12 year olds, you have something seriously wrong and you need help big time

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

And there-in lies what I think is the important differentiation. If you're trying to portray the model as a child whether it's obvious that they're over 18 or not, then that's a problem.

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Ok, here's another one. I didn't get Peaches response to this last night since she was too inebraited to message properly...and I'm curious....

Are you catering to pedo's if you shoot a model on a playground (with no kids around of course)?

Originally Posted by Peaches

Adults don't wear little kid's underwear. I am willing to bet you a dinner at Bones or Chops (your choice) that no one signs up for that site using the search words "Batman comics".

I have less problems with braces, pigtails and lollipops - at least adults wear braces, pigtails and eat lollipops. They don't wear little kid's underwear!! :unsure:

(tomorrow night there is going to be animated discussion - I just feel it in my bones ;) )

Originally Posted by Jace

but if you buy underwear that says on the label "kids 10-12" on it, then there is something wrong

Originally Posted by Peaches

I have less problems with braces, pigtails and lollipops - at least adults wear braces, pigtails and eat lollipops. They don't wear little kid's underwear!! :unsure:

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

or not, i'm starting to think i might be better off at the press screening for nacho libre....it wont piss me off.

Originally Posted by Peaches

I said yes - again, 18 year old girls don't hang out at playgrounds. When you portray an 18 year old girl doing things that YOUNGER (i.e. underaged) girls do, IMO, you're crossing the line.

Put someone who obviously cannot be mistaken for someone underaged and it's a different story. Vanilla, for instance, on a playground isn't going to make anyone think she might be under 18.

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

I'm with GonZo on this one, I reckon we're somewhere below John IP on the list.

Originally Posted by Peaches

OK, so do I start keeping my opinions to myself in fear of pissing you off? I can do that, but you better be prepared to stuff my mouth constantly full of food so I'll shut up. :huh:

And no, you're not below anyone - I JUST GAVE YOU MY OPINION ABOUT ONE SITUATION. I swear you're worse than a chick. :whistling

Originally Posted by Peaches

Well, since Kathi might not make it either, I guess that leaves me and I can certainly use that time to study :(

I don't know why any of this would piss you off - this is just the opinion of a prudish old chick. You're not going to lose a dime or any respect from anyone who matters :)

Originally Posted by gonzo

Im surprised and disgusted that you could even imagine either of us being capabile of such an act.

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Here's where I get cheesed off...

You rush to judgement against me with very little information, no actual pics, no knowledge of the model. You up and accuse me of going pedo, then in this thread lump me in with scammers and thieves in the industry. Where as if you were doing the same thing, I'd likely say "ok, i assume you know what you're doing" and think nothing more about it.

To me, I take it in much the same way as if I were in your house and some money turned up missing, and you asked if I took it.

Originally Posted by Peaches

Okee dokee, where did I say you did "such an act"? I merely voiced an opinion over one of the props. I am a prude. I personally don't think it's kosher to put little boy's Underoos on an 18 year old model, and I said so (in private). I probably also wouldn't do a LOT of things you do and there are probably a lot of things I'd do that you wouldn't do - unless you're into men.

Don't turn a molehill into my steep driveway or no one will be going to Disneyworld on Gay Day. :mad:

Originally Posted by gonzo

Youve got a recent history of making some bad judgement calls.
Ill chalk this one up as yet another one.

Originally Posted by Peaches

However, if you are at my house and my boxers with little pugs on them are missing, I'm going to ask you if you took them.

Originally Posted by gonzo

This one is high and tight. I will resist.