http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041102/D863NRS80.html


AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - A Dutch filmmaker who had received death threats after releasing a movie criticizing the treatment of women under Islam was slain in Amsterdam on Tuesday, police said.

A suspect, a 26-year-old man with dual Dutch-Moroccan nationality, was arrested after a shootout with officers that left him wounded, police said.

Filmmaker Theo van Gogh had been threatened after the August airing of the movie "Submission," which he made with a right-wing Dutch politician who had renounced the Islamic faith of her birth. Van Gogh had received police protection after its release.

Dutch national broadcaster NOS and other media reported that Van Gogh's killer shot and stabbed his victim and left a note on his body. NOS said witnesses described the attacker as having an "Arab appearance."

A witness who lives in the neighborhood heard six shots, and saw the man concealing a gun. She said he walked away slowly, spoke to someone at the edge of the park, and then ran.

"He was walking slowly, like he was trying to be cool," she said, describing him as wearing a long beard and Islamic garb. "He was either an Arabic man or someone disguised as a Muslim," she said.

Another witness told Dutch Radio 1 the killer arrived by bicycle and shot Van Gogh as he got out of a car. "He fell backward on the bicycle path and just laid there. The shooter stayed next to him and waited. Waited to make sure he was dead."

The slain filmmaker was the great grandson of the brother of famous Dutch painter Vincent van Gogh, who was also named Theo. In a recent radio interview, Van Gogh dismissed the threats and called the movie "the best protection I could have. It's not something I worry about."

Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende called on the Dutch people to remain calm.

"Nothing is known about the motive," he said in a written statement. "I want to call on everyone not to jump to far-reaching conclusions. The facts must first be carefully weighed so let's allow the investigators to do their jobs."

Balkenende praised Van Gogh as a proponent of free speech who had "outspoken opinions."

"It would be unacceptable if a difference of opinion led to this brutal murder," he said.

Police spokesman Eric Vermeulen said the attacker fled to the nearby East Park, and was arrested after exchanging gunfire with police. Both the suspect and a policeman suffered minor injuries.

"They were conscious" when taken to hospital, Vermeulen said.

Van Gogh's killing immediately rekindled memories of the 2002 assassination of Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn who polarized the nation with his anti-immigration views and was shot to death days before national elections.

In addition to his film, van Gogh also wrote columns about Islam that were published on his Web site, www.theovangogh.nl, and Dutch newspaper Metro.

The short television film "Submission" aired on Dutch television in August, enraged the Muslim community in the Netherlands.

It told the fictional story of a Muslim woman forced into a violent marriage, raped by a relative and brutally punished for adultery.

The English-language film was scripted by a right-wing politician who years ago renounced the Islamic faith of her birth and now refers to herself as an "ex-Muslim."

Somali-born Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a member of the Dutch parliament, has repeatedly outraged fellow Muslims by criticizing Islamic customs and the failure of Muslim families to adopt Dutch ways.

The place of Muslim immigrants in Dutch society has long been a contentious issue in the Netherlands, where many right-wing politicians have pushed for tougher immigration laws and say Muslims already settled in the country must make a greater effort to assimilate.

Theo van Gogh, 47, has often come under criticism for his controversial movies. In December, his next movie "06-05," about the May 6, 2002 assassination of Pim Fortuyn, is scheduled to debut on the Internet.

For fun, I will now finish this thread myself!


Serge: "How many millions has Christians have killed over 2,000 years?? My mother in-law has been eyeing me out for a mini-Spanish Inquisistion."

Raw Alex: " This is an isolated incident. I am sure there was some murder by a red-neck American last night in your town. Was that a hate crime? This is just anotehr dirty trick by Bush admin to get more vote!"

PD: "Mike, you are distorting the truth, I have it on good sources Mr. Van Gogh was nor murdered, he was "aborted", this is why we have to vote for Kerry to safeguard this right on Supreme Court"



OK I guess I am wrong, Muslims are nice people, Islam is a religion of peace and I am going to go repent for thinking otherwise. Heck, I may even disavow my faith and become a humanist. The human mind can conquer anything!! ( with exception of an arab shank to the spleen!

Mike,
you and Raw Alex, sound exactly the same to me.
Nazies, communists, islam extremists, jewish extremists, christian extremists,
they are ALL THE SAME!

have a nice day, Bush is losing Florida
;-)))

HAHAHA I must have hit the nail on the head.



Look in the mirror mano, you have become the Florida Raw Alex....

I was hoping Bush WOULD lose Florida, so I do not have to worry about attacks from Bin Laden.

:lol:

HAHAHA I must have hit the nail on the head.



Look in the mirror mano, you have become the Florida Raw Alex....

I was hoping Bush WOULD lose Florida, so I do not have to worry about attacks from Bin Laden.

:lol: [/b][/quote]
nope, you only hit my left nut!
and....I called you RawAlex, first!
Come up with your own insult you nimwit!
;-)))

you are as original as Ashcroft!
;-)))

nope, you only hit my left nut!
and....I called you RawAlex, first!
Come up with your own insult you nimwit!
;-)))

you are as original as Ashcroft!
;-))) [/b][/quote]


Serge, you know me better then that, I would have not placed robes on statues AND I probably would have prosecuted more pornographers.

:lol: :lol:

Why do you bother to put words in others mouths. It does nothing to further a fallacious argument.
You are right, though. Christianity has killed and tortured many more than Islam. In fact Christians have wiped out entire cultures and civilizations. Now what exactly was your point?

You should change your nickname to "NewGuy".

Christians have to ignore the words of their religion's founder to killl in its name. Muslims need only to follow the word of theirs.

Christians have to ignore the words of their religion's founder to killl in its name. Muslims need only to follow the word of theirs. [/b][/quote]
Colin,
Christians wiped out Inca CIVILIZATION...and what is exactly the result of Islam, as far as genocide on CIVILIZATION scale is concerned?

I'm no fan of Christianity, Serge. But again ..

Christians have to ignore the words of their religion's founder to kill in its name. Muslims need only to follow the word of theirs. I don't blame the constitution when someone decides to break the law. The lawbreaker is to blame. The Muslim "system" itself is violent. Right down to the words of its founder and also later codifed in the Sharia.

I say you are READY!
;-))

http://www.4wbw.com/guavaween/guava3.jpg

I'm no fan of Christianity, Serge. But again ..

Christians have to ignore the words of their religion's founder to kill in its name. Muslims need only to follow the word of theirs. [/b][/quote]
Colin,
there are only TWO things in this world:
RESULTS and everything else and who got better RESULTS?????

Incas voted for Christians
;-)))

Colin,
Christians wiped out Inca CIVILIZATION...and what is exactly the result of Islam, as far as genocide on CIVILIZATION scale is concerned? [/b][/quote]
Serge, the Spanish conquered the Incas -- they didn't wipe out Incan civilization.

Not the Incas, that's for sure.

Serge, the Spanish conquered the Incas -- they didn't wipe out Incan civilization. [/b][/quote]
Buff,
when you
1) travel to South America and learn it's history
2) when you learn it's history beyond from what they teach in Catolic School

we'll revisit the subject.
Either you catch up on the subject and won't argue with me or...we'll argue with the same level of knowledge,
'till than you have a work ahead of you
;-))

catch up!

Not the Incas, that's for sure. [/b][/quote]
;-)))))

Good thing too. In the end the most violent civilization will survive and western civilization has a propensity for violence that Islam cannot match. They have nothing on "us".

Buff,
when you
1) travel to South America and learn it's history
2) when you learn it's history beyond from what they teach in Catolic School

we'll revisit the subject.
Either you catch up on the subject and won't argue with me or...we'll argue with the same level of knowledge,
'till than you have a work ahead of you
;-))

catch up! [/b][/quote]
Serge, I've spent more time in Central and South America than you. I've lived with the indiginous people there. Have you? No? Then don't be condescending when you're in the inferior position. It's bad chess.

You should change your nickname to "NewGuy". [/b][/quote]
Why, Colin. I have a lot of political experience. I am not new to politics. Is logic depressing you maybe?

My comment was in reference to "Why do you bother to put words in others mouths?" You know, the line I quoted to make it easier for you? Are you new to messageboards too?

Why, Colin. I have a lot of political experience. I am not new to politics. Is logic depressing you maybe? [/b][/quote]
Colin, I think your comment flew way over this guy's head.

So Mikey ... can I take it that the several individuals now in prison for killing doctors who perform abortions is equal proof that Christianity is a religion of peace?

yes, I did and I studied the subject.
c'mon, don't tell me you have no clue how Incas were exterminated and "converted" into Christianity?

Cuz if you don't,
you could have lived on the Moon with the same results...

yes, I did and I studied the subject.
c'mon, don't tell me you have no clue how Incas were exterminated and "converted" into Christianity?

Cuz if you don't,
you could have lived on the Moon with the same results... [/b][/quote]
Serge is right. The Incas were wiped out by the Spanish Christians. To the best of my knowledge, Islam has never committed genocide. You may enlighten us because I am always open to new ideas.

Serge is right. The Incas were wiped out by the Spanish Christians. To the best of my knowledge, Islam has never committed genocide. You may enlighten us because I am always open to new ideas. [/b][/quote]
No, they weren't. They were conquered and converted, not wiped out.

History: learn it.

No, they weren't. They were conquered and converted, not wiped out.

History: learn it. [/b][/quote]
You are right. They left a few standing. Then "converted" them. History.

Mike has finally lost it and is talking to himself. :( Knew this day would come.

When the voting results are in tomorrow, it may send him over the edge. :blink:

Buff, Serge rode on tour buses through out Latin America. He knows what he is talking about! You were merely a yankee imperilist gringo causing trouble for nice guys like the sandinistas....

Drav is it better to have lost "it" or to never have had "it" ?

Think about it.

No, they weren't. They were conquered and converted, not wiped out.

History: learn it. [/b][/quote]
Buff,
did nazi "conquered" Jews too?

damn,
from now on,
I'll call him Buff Gevarra
;-0))

Buff,
did nazi "conquered" Jews too? [/b][/quote]
No Serge, I believe they converted the Jews.

I say you are READY!
;-))

http://www.4wbw.com/guavaween/guava3.jpg [/b][/quote]


Serge this is my Janet Reno outfit, I figured you would approve....

After all she sent tanks into a compound in Waco and punished all thost nasty wacky Branch Davidians.

No Serge, I believe they converted the Jews. [/b][/quote]
damn,
I gotta brush upon my English...

On this board today
"Smells like a turd" means smells like rose, right?
;-)))

damn,
from now on,
I'll call him Buff Gevarra
;-0)) [/b][/quote]


I think Buff took more showers....

I think Buff took more showers.... [/b][/quote]
you _think_, you are NOT sure....and neither am I
;-))))

Drav is it better to have lost "it" or to never have had "it" ?

Think about it. [/b][/quote]
I'll be launching an ad hoc committee tomorrow to investigate the ramificiations of your question, and an official report will be delivered in a years time with the appropriate recommendations.

you _think_, you are NOT sure....and neither am I
;-)))) [/b][/quote]


Well the only way I travel to Latin America is in 5 star resorts, so unless there are local fanning me with palm fans, or spritzing me with bottle water I have no interest!

:D

Well the only way I travel to Latin America is in 5 star resorts, so unless there are local fanning me with palm fans, or spritzing me with bottle water I have no interest!

:D [/b][/quote]
no wonder your knowledge of the local culture is equal to Buff's
;-))))